Ashes 2023
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@dogmeat said in Ashes 2023:
I would put Anderson ahead of both of those two @MN5
Willis was a very honest toiler. Snow was a poor mans Shane Bond. Career curtailed by injury.
Fit (rather than fat) Botham would beat Jimmy too
Hmmm. 202 test wickets v 87? Yes Snow did suffer some injuries (fast bowler, who’d have thought it?), but played test cricket for around 10 years, inlcluding a run of 32 tests out of 40 1966-71, when England lost only one test.
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@KiwiMurph said in Ashes 2023:
Discuss
He’s a fast bowler in the same way that Botham, McGrath, Hadlee were. Not out and out quick but well above a medium pacer with the ability to produce the odd really fast ball. So yes a fast bowler .
He’s by some margin the top wicket taker and has had fantastic longevity and durability. Without doubt those two facts are correlated.
Is he the best ever? Or even the best English fast bowler ever? Definitely not and probably not IMO. Though such things are broadly subjective, I am also swayed by his averages and the difference between his home and away stats. There are a few English bowlers I’d rate better than him, Trueman, Bedser, Larwood for a start.
However, definitely a great.
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@Catogrande said in Ashes 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in Ashes 2023:
Discuss
He’s a fast bowler in the same way that Botham, McGrath, Hadlee were. Not out and out quick but well above a medium pacer with the ability to produce the odd really fast ball. So yes a fast bowler .
He’s by some margin the top wicket taker and has had fantastic longevity and durability. Without doubt those two facts are correlated.
Is he the best ever? Or even the best English fast bowler ever? Definitely not and probably not IMO. Though such things are broadly subjective, I am also swayed by his averages and the difference between his home and away stats. There are a few English bowlers I’d rate better than him, Trueman, Bedser, Larwood for a start.
However, definitely a great.
Very well summed up.
There are cricket greats and cricket legends, I’d rate Anderson the former at a stretch. Probably only a good fast bowler until a few years ago when he went up a level.
A bowling equivalent to Graham Gooch who started terribly, was good through the 80s then went up another notch in his late 30’s to retire a great ( if not quite a legend )
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Michael Vaughan quoted as saying the rumour is both Smith and Warner giving it up after this test 😳
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@Catogrande wow
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Bazball to Spazball in the blink of an eye
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Could have been done and dusted in session 1
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@mariner4life said in Ashes 2023:
Shane Warne's epic sledge at Paul Collingwood comes to mind
"didn't you get an OBE? For scoring 5 at The Oval? That's embarrassing"
The best Ashes sledge was to Mark Waugh from James Ormrod:
""Mate, what are you doing here? There's no way you're good enough to play for England." To which Ormond replied: "Maybe not, but at least I'm the best player in my family."
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I think England have learned one lesson from Old Trafford
There’s shit weather on the way and they’re trying to take Mother Nature out of the equation
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@TeWaio said in Ashes 2023:
@bayimports said in Ashes 2023:
@TeWaio You can get docked WTC points now as well which does have an impact. I am assuming though Ashes matches fall under this
I realise that, and it even cost Australia a place in the 2021 WTC final that we won. But has it improved their (or anyone's) over rate? Has it fk.....need harsher punishment!
They didn't even get through 80 overs today.
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@TeWaio said in Ashes 2023:
@TeWaio said in Ashes 2023:
@bayimports said in Ashes 2023:
@TeWaio You can get docked WTC points now as well which does have an impact. I am assuming though Ashes matches fall under this
I realise that, and it even cost Australia a place in the 2021 WTC final that we won. But has it improved their (or anyone's) over rate? Has it fk.....need harsher punishment!
They didn't even get through 80 overs today.
Mind you, over rates are affected by the number of wickets to fall. 11 in the day 🤷
