Ashes 2023
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@MN5 said in Ashes 2023:
@Catogrande said in Ashes 2023:
Yes. There's a formula to decide who wins a game of cricket. Something to do with runs and wickets. It is a tried and tested method.
This whole moral victory rubbish has really been carried only the lower end of the Aus media, following on from some pretty innocuous comments by a couple of the England players immediately following the first two close losses. If anyone is banging on about it, it isn't our boys.
Regardless of what was said it was very probable ( but not a given ) that England had this test in the bag but if Marsh and Green survived long enough for a draw I’d happily laud them for it.
If someone survives and has a mammoth innings to ensure a draw I’m all for that, it’s when weather intervenes that I get annoyed.
Absolutely, such stuff is what test cricket is all about.
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I said it at the time - and posted on this thread - and my mates shot me down citing the old adage
Bat once, bat big
We should have declared at lunch on Day 3
Had the lead, had momentum, had time to bowl Australia out
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Fines for slow over rates do nothing, its top end professional sport - they all have plenty of money. The only thing that would work is your captain is banned for the next test if you don't get through the overs. Make the guy in charge take responsibility. The time wasting and loss of overs is scandalous.
I get annoyed enough at rugby games that take over 2hrs to get through with 30-something mins of ball-in-play time.
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@TeWaio You can get docked WTC points now as well which does have an impact. I am assuming though Ashes matches fall under this
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They do need to find a way to fit more overs into a day, it is painfully slow going for all teams when bowling these days. To play for 6 and a half hours in a day and still not reach 90 overs is pretty poor. Even when pushing for victory with the threat of rain, bowling 19 overs of spin out of 71, England still only managed 13 overs per hour.
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@Catogrande said in Ashes 2023:
Yes. There's a formula to decide who wins a game of cricket. Something to do with runs and wickets. It is a tried and tested method.
This whole moral victory rubbish has really been carried on by the lower end of the Aus media, following on from some pretty innocuous comments by a couple of the England players immediately following the first two close losses. If anyone is banging on about it, it isn't our boys.
It's a classic case of having your view, then looking for things to reinforce your view only.
On the whole, I think everybody is quite gutted about the weather calling off the series, including Australians.
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@bayimports said in Ashes 2023:
@TeWaio You can get docked WTC points now as well which does have an impact. I am assuming though Ashes matches fall under this
I realise that, and it even cost Australia a place in the 2021 WTC final that we won. But has it improved their (or anyone's) over rate? Has it fk.....need harsher punishment!
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@TeWaio said in Ashes 2023:
Fines for slow over rates do nothing, its top end professional sport - they all have plenty of money. The only thing that would work is your captain is banned for the next test if you don't get through the overs. Make the guy in charge take responsibility. The time wasting and loss of overs is scandalous.
I get annoyed enough at rugby games that take over 2hrs to get through with 30-something mins of ball-in-play time.
Odd. I read this and agree with it whole heartedly.
But at no point during this series, did I get annoyed with slow over rates or time wasting. The only time I got frustrated with delays / time was during the compulsory concussion tests after balls to the head. This could often take 5-6 minutes.
That is certainly not something that should change though.
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@MiketheSnow said in Ashes 2023:
Had the lead, had momentum, had time to bowl Australia out
Given Eng managed 1 wicket in nearly 2 hours of play on Day 4 i'd say Eng were fucked even if they declared earlier on Day 3.
Anderson has something like 4 wickets in 3 tests this series. Broad far better but it's not exactly prime Broad.
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@MajorPom said in Ashes 2023:
@Catogrande said in Ashes 2023:
Yes. There's a formula to decide who wins a game of cricket. Something to do with runs and wickets. It is a tried and tested method.
This whole moral victory rubbish has really been carried on by the lower end of the Aus media, following on from some pretty innocuous comments by a couple of the England players immediately following the first two close losses. If anyone is banging on about it, it isn't our boys.
It's a classic case of having your view, then looking for things to reinforce your view only.
On the whole, I think everybody is quite gutted about the weather calling off the series, including Australians.
Absolutely, see the post match interview that Cummins gave, the one that Piers Morgan slated him for. It was very much "great to retain the Ashes but this wasn't the way I would have wanted it".
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@KiwiMurph said in Ashes 2023:
@MiketheSnow said in Ashes 2023:
Had the lead, had momentum, had time to bowl Australia out
Given Eng managed 1 wicket in nearly 2 hours of play on Day 4 i'd say Eng were fucked even if they declared earlier on Day 3.
Anderson has something like 4 wickets in 3 tests this series. Broad far better but it's not exactly prime Broad.
Day 3 track was very different from the Day 4 track
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There's a bit of chat back at the Piers Morgan's of this world
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I'm a bit torn about the result at Old Trafford.
The Australian in me is mightily relieved. Relieved we retain the urn, but mainly relieved we aren't subject to a historic 3-2 England win and the ensuing parades, OBEs, tribute documentaries etc. I mean can you imagine the insufferable carry-on? They'd be frothing about it for decades. So bullet dodged there.
But the cricket fan in me is sad. I've never seen a 2-2 Ashes series coming into the 5th Test, and I might never see it. It would have been electric.
There is still a lot to play for at the Oval though. Big difference between 3-1 and 2-2.
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@barbarian said in Ashes 2023:
and the ensuing parades, OBEs, tribute documentaries etc.
I was amazed to see that Sam Curran is an MBE. As is Adil Rashid. Not that they hand them out to just any old cricketer.
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Shane Warne's epic sledge at Paul Collingwood comes to mind
"didn't you get an OBE? For scoring 5 at The Oval? That's embarrassing"
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@KiwiPie said in Ashes 2023:
@barbarian said in Ashes 2023:
and the ensuing parades, OBEs, tribute documentaries etc.
I was amazed to see that Sam Curran is an MBE. As is Adil Rashid. Not that they hand them out to just any old cricketer.
Team award. For winning one of the limited over world cups. I've got no problem with that.
Cry me a river, England
