Hurricanes 2024
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@SouthernMann said in Hurricanes 2024:
@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2024:
@SouthernMann I normally would aswell but losing Roigard is like receiving a kick in the face. Especially considering I’ve been blatantly backing him all year.
How would you feel if it was a young Wellington player who left with their paths blocked at the Canes. Went elsewhere. Rumours swirled he was going back. You'd say he was our player, grew up supporting us. He will look forward to coming home. It is all swings at roundabouts. There is very few loyalties in profesional sport
It's not true. Most top players stick with their initial team unless they move overseas BBBR is one example.
I hope we keep Roigard. For one he's only one of three ABs for 2024. But he's a special talent. His kicking game is outstanding. He could be the AB starting HB for years to come.
It would also reflect poorly on him if he leaves. An individual with no sense of loyalty. Not what I want in an ABs
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Did it reflect poorly on Tyrel Lomax when he left the Highlanders?
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@Winger totally, Smith was also from the Manawatu and was a Landers legend, same with Whitelock with the Crusaders, and McKenzie/Rettalick with the Chiefs.
He’s only an All Black now because the Canes picked him up a couple years ago. He would have been third behind Weber and Ratima at the Chiefs if he stayed in Waikato and ironically would probably be looking to sign with a team like the Canes having struggled to get game time.
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@SouthernMann said in Hurricanes 2024:
Did it reflect poorly on Tyrel Lomax when he left the Highlanders?
A bit. But he wasn't happy so returned home. And he wasn't a player who improved massively from nothing much to an AB
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@SouthernMann I’m not disputing the fact that Roigard wants to go home, I’m just disappointed because the Canes are the reason he’s in black this year. If he stayed at the Chiefs he may never have been given a chance to impress behind Weber and Ratima and would almost be a no name right now.
Definitely a player that I’m gutted to see go because he is classy, he’s young and he is only going to get better.
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2024:
@Winger totally, Smith was also from the Manawatu and was a Landers legend, same with Whitelock with the Crusaders, and McKenzie/Rettalick with the Chiefs.
He’s only an All Black now because the Canes picked him up a couple years ago. He would have been third behind Weber and Ratima at the Chiefs if he stayed in Waikato and ironically would probably be looking to sign with a team like the Canes having struggled to get game time.
For every Smith, Whitelock and Mckenzie. There is an Israel Dagg, Tyrel Lomax, Nepo Laulala. That's just a few off the top of my head. Plenty more. The thing about being an All Black is that you have complete freedom of choice.
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@Canes4life completely. If he was playing for a club I support, I'd be gutted to.
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@SouthernMann said in Hurricanes 2024:
@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2024:
@Winger totally, Smith was also from the Manawatu and was a Landers legend, same with Whitelock with the Crusaders, and McKenzie/Rettalick with the Chiefs.
He’s only an All Black now because the Canes picked him up a couple years ago. He would have been third behind Weber and Ratima at the Chiefs if he stayed in Waikato and ironically would probably be looking to sign with a team like the Canes having struggled to get game time.
For every Smith, Whitelock and Mckenzie. There is an Israel Dagg, Tyrel Lomax, Nepo Laulala. That's just a few off the top of my head. Plenty more. The thing about being an All Black is that you have complete freedom of choice.
Cruden, barrett and lomu. But most stick with the team when they make the ABs. Leaving is not common. Unless it's for family reasons or unhappy with the coaches etc like MM
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It could be worse. He leaves the canes and moves south.
But hopefully it doesn't happen. I really enjoy watching him play. A joy to watch. The opposite to Booth
And unsure what TJ will be like when or if he returns
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@Winger said in Hurricanes 2024:
@SouthernMann said in Hurricanes 2024:
@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2024:
@SouthernMann I normally would aswell but losing Roigard is like receiving a kick in the face. Especially considering I’ve been blatantly backing him all year.
How would you feel if it was a young Wellington player who left with their paths blocked at the Canes. Went elsewhere. Rumours swirled he was going back. You'd say he was our player, grew up supporting us. He will look forward to coming home. It is all swings at roundabouts. There is very few loyalties in profesional sport
It's not true. Most top players stick with their initial team unless they move overseas BBBR is one example.
I hope we keep Roigard. For one he's only one of three ABs for 2024. But he's a special talent. His kicking game is outstanding. He could be the AB starting HB for years to come.
It would also reflect poorly on him if he leaves. An individual with no sense of loyalty. Not what I want in an ABs
Jesus, you're laying it on a bit thick. Maybe he isn't happy and wants to return home like Lomax?
Also, he's owed his spot in the Canes to Booth breaking his leg, and now continued game time to TJ being out indefinitely. If TJ wasn't injured what would his season have been like? Likely off the bench.
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@Winger I guess the best thing the Canes can do now is go for Ratima but he's probably under contract already. The only worse thing he could have done was sign for the Crusaders so atleast he's not going South I guess.
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From a NZ rugby perspective. Him staying is what the perfect model for a position looks like. The top five players in the position starting for each franchise. Roigard, Christie, Fakatava, Hotham and Ratima. Clearly the top five halfbacks. All in different franchises. No one hoarding talent.
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@SouthernMann yeah but now Ratima and Roigard will be at the Chiefs and the Canes will be left with a big hole to fill. Perenara isn't the answer, he's pretty much at the end of his career in NZ.
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2024:
@SouthernMann yeah but now Ratima and Roigard will be at the Chiefs and the Canes will be left with a big hole to fill. Perenara isn't the answer, he's pretty much at the end of his career in NZ.
What I said was that if he stayed with the Hurricanes. It is the perfect model for NZ Rugby. The model that is best for rugby is one where talent is well distributed.
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@SouthernMann got yah, yes it would have been ideal.
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@Canes4life George never said Roigard or where he was going. I will wait until movements are confirmed. Hopefully Roigard is like DC not BB
