All Blacks 2023
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@Stargazer was slow/medium pace before his injury. So , along with ALB, has question marks about his durability and now even slower than his peak. So changes were we attack.
I think his time has passed, and time to try someone new.
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@KiwiMurph I'd take Proctor aswell, he's shown consistency in performance and has played very well for a while now (both NPC and Super).
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another vote for Proctor, he always seems to look to get outside his man which could really unlock someone like Clarke
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
.....Ennor get another chance?
seriously?
It was a question not a proposal.
Ennor is the backline equivalent of Brad Shields
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@Kirwan although I think they'll likely stick with Ennor.
Goodhue has the smarts on both sides of the ball, just lacks the pace for 13 anymore (on both sides of the ball) can probably get away with it at 12, but he simply hasnt had the game time either.
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Surely it’s Ben Atiga’s time.
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2023:
Surely it’s Ben Atiga’s time.
@Nepia must be in a deep asleep
Because I'm sure all his alarms just went off
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
.....Ennor get another chance?
seriously?
It was a question not a proposal.
Ennor is the backline equivalent of Brad Shields
Cool, England will be thrilled they’re about to inherit another kiwi Super Rugby player who drops the ball a lot !
But yeah, Ennor doesn’t exactly have game breaker written all over him.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2023:
Surely it’s Ben Atiga’s time.
@Nepia must be in a deep asleep
Because I'm sure all his alarms just went off
I actually don't mind Atiga, genuinely thought he'd get more caps as a midfielder, wasn't his fault the way he got selected by domehead.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2023:
Surely it’s Ben Atiga’s time.
@Nepia must be in a deep asleep
Because I'm sure all his alarms just went off
I actually don't mind Atiga, genuinely thought he'd get more caps as a midfielder, wasn't his fault the way he got selected by domehead.
Ruination of a talented player that was.
With the right handling and easing in he could have been very good.
Then the same mistake was made with Toeava. Never hit his excellent potential due to being shifted around the backline and super high expectations -
According to this article, Telea and Stevenson are off contract at the end of the year.
Re-sign, or let them leave? The two fascinating decisions for NZ Rugby
Two star players are out of contract - but re-signing them isn't as simple as it looks.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2023:
According to this article, Telea and Stevenson are off contract at the end of the year.
Re-sign, or let them leave? The two fascinating decisions for NZ Rugby
Two star players are out of contract - but re-signing them isn't as simple as it looks.
I don’t know if Stevenson wants the challenge of League and that will be a big deal influence. If he sticks around for another 12 months in NZ he would likely get AB on his CV and if money is the driver that would up any overseas contract.
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@Tim There are a lot of players off-contract at the end of this season/year, at least where we haven't had any news about them re-signing.
Telea
Stevenson
Hodgman
Laulala
Nanai-Seturo
Tupaea
Ennor
Goodhue
Grace
Perenarato name a few (fringe) All Blacks.
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With the state club finances are in much of the NH the lure of 'bagging' a SH player is becoming less and less enticing unless they have
a) no international ties / aspirations
b) haven't been capped and would be eligible for the host country on lineage or residencyTake the recent international retirement of Wales' Justin Tipuric as an example
He's far more valuable and cost effective to the Ospreys now than when he was RWC bound
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@MiketheSnow Point a) won't affect Kiwis (unless of PI heritage) as they aren't eligible for the ABs anymore as soon as they go overseas.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@MiketheSnow Point a) won't affect Kiwis (unless of PI heritage) as they aren't eligible for the ABs anymore as soon as they go overseas.
But there's going to be more of a necessity for homegrown going forward
