Highlanders v Reds
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@Derpus said in Highlanders v Reds:
So Reds have lodged a formal complaint for the following:
- Failure to cite the tackle after the match (pretty debatable - could easily argue it didn't meet the red card threshold)
- They rushed Connor Vest off the field despite a neck injury being signalled.
Given every fluffybunny and his dog knows you don't move a person with a neck injury the second is pretty fucked.
Its the second point that's the serious one for me... If neck injury was signaled then everything should stop... No ifs, buts etc
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@Machpants apparently Pickerill. But its hard to say without a recording or transcript.
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@Derpus said in Highlanders v Reds:
So Reds have lodged a formal complaint for the following:
- Failure to cite the tackle after the match (pretty debatable - could easily argue it didn't meet the red card threshold)
I don't know where this rumour comes from (media?), but procedurally this is wrong. It's not only the Citing Commissioner who can bring a case before the judiciairy (or a red card). The team managements involved can submit a case as well. So if the Reds have "complained", it's not likely to be about a failure to cite, but about the tackle itself. Unless the Reds don't know the procedural rules.
- They rushed Connor Vest off the field despite a neck injury being signalled.
Given every fluffybunny and his dog knows you don't move a person with a neck injury the second is pretty fucked.
This again sounds very much like someone's interpretation of what they saw on the field, without really knowing what was said by all involved (ref, team doctor, game doctor, player). Not saying it didn't happen this way, because Pickerill isn't a good ref, but I do have some doubts about this. By the way, I know you're just the messenger, so these comments aren't aimed at you, @Derpus.
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@Stargazer *aren't (assuming)
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I also don't think a ref can tell a player who's on the ground with a neck injury to walk off the field. Maybe the player/doctor was/felt rushed by Pickerill, that's very well possible, but then the doctor should have stood his ground and used his medical authority to say that the player should be stretchered off in stead of walk off the field. It's easy to blame the ref for everything, especially an incompetent one, but I feel this is more on the doctor/team management.
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@Stargazer yeah I find it hard to believe that if the ref knew the extent of the injury he would have hurried the player off. No matter how unpopular the ref is. At worse I am guessing there was a miscommunication somewhere along the line rather than a deliberate act.
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@Derpus said in Highlanders v Reds:
So Reds have lodged a formal complaint for the following:
- Failure to cite the tackle after the match (pretty debatable - could easily argue it didn't meet the red card threshold)
- They rushed Connor Vest off the field despite a neck injury being signalled.
Given every fluffybunny and his dog knows you don't move a person with a neck injury the second is pretty fucked.
Reds problems this season could well be turned back on their coaching.
Why are the Reds copping more head injuries? It’s not like all the other teams and refs are out to get them and risk life changing injuries.
That particular one was totally down to a ball carrier charging head forward. Tacklers did all they could to get low (even if that meant clumsy illegal tackles to try and avoid the head) but if you’re going to lead with the head you can’t expect everyone to stand aside. -
I would find this a bit suss? I agree about taking player off, but there is no way Dr or Reds medical staff wou;d say ok ref, we'll take him off and risk permanent injury. I will be mightily interested to see if any of it true.
I would of thought for 1 they would of cited themselves, and 2 medical staff would of said f*** off. -
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Really enjoyed that game as a neutral. Both teams left it all out there on the field, and it was good to see the intensity ramped up a few notches from earlier rounds. Landers should have played that way from the get-go. Renton, Harmon and Burns were huge. Renton my MOTM was into everything. Shame Burns is moving offshore next season, felt he has only just clicked with the team and comp ethos, and brings a real point of difference. Good to see the team being driven around the field decisively for a change. Moving forward the Landers hopefully will be scouting for another specialist 10. Hunt is better at 15, he is so obviously not a 10. Agree with comments above about Harmon being the best 7 in NZ.
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Not sure what they can achieve by complaining to the Rugby Union Players’ Association, but they're complaining about mulitple incidents now where they think there should have been a card/citing and the way Connor Vest "had to" walk off the field.
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sure, but straight away you can see a mitigating factor in how low o'conner is crouched to take the tackle, during the game i think that might get a yellow, how does a yellow work in a siting?
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@Kiwiwomble The equivalent of a yellow card is a Citing Commissioner warning.
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@Stargazer thats probably fair
i think one of the biggest things that came out of that game for me....nareki putting in loads of tackles (where the best place to find out how many) and i felt like every single one of them was waist/thigh and he generally put his target on his arse every single time. I know hes not super tall and so its easier but he showed you can put in dominant tackles whilst going low
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Super Rugby Pacific refereeing officials believe there was indeed foul play by the Highlanders in the tackle which broke the neck of Reds lock Connor Vest, but that it wasn’t Shannon Frizell at fault, and no yellow card was warranted.
Reds' anger over Vest Incident inaction taken to RUPA
