All Blacks 2023
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@Stargazer he managed to make a try saving tackle because he had the touch line to help sheppard kolbe into a potion where he could make the tackle, midfield and kolbe smokes him every day of the week, the fact he is put out there and given that touch line to help when others arent is the proof that even the AB's think there are better defenders
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@Kirwan It didn't cost us in 2019. It has been discussed to death that the problem in that England game was our forward pack, not the backs. It's only some people on here who like to blame certain backs, RM in particular, for that ABs performance.
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@KiwiMurph and thats with him being hidden often
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Stargazer Be careful what you wish for
can i just go back to this for a second and talk about how far we've come, a picture including George Bridge and the "shit" label isn't pointing at him
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan It didn't cost us in 2019. It has been discussed to death that the problem in that England game was our forward pack, not the backs. It's only some people on here who like to blame certain backs, RM in particular, for that ABs performance.
Don't agree at all! Our forwards got smacked around in the first half, but we got ourselves back into that game in the second, but every time we had the ball in a decent position there was nobody directing play so we made stupid panicked mistakes and gave it away again. RM being both the playmaker and completely anonymous was central to that lack of direction in the second half. That is tough on Mo'unga, as he shouldn't have been in that position given his lack of experience, but at the end of the day he had a shocker, and it's very difficult to win a knock-out game when your 10 plays poorly.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kiwiwomble I don't see how that matters. He made a try-saving tackle. So the statement that he is a shit defender is simply not true and there's no proof that Dmac is any better.
Let's see. DMac stopping a Fiji certainty in 2021 (similar to the RM video posted)? Also I recall try savers in the corner against both LF and Telea.
Generally though he puts his body on the line more than RM and is tenacious enough to hang on for support. Hardly ever gets stepped.
Obviously not who you want isolated 5 metres from the tryline but there's plenty like that.
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RMo, BB and DMac
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Stargazer Be careful what you wish for
can i just go back to this for a second and talk about how far we've come, a picture including George Bridge and the "shit" label isn't pointing at him
You can bet that Ravishing George Bridge was no hope of catching him from behind in that situation.
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2023:
Zarn Sullivan has to be an All Black this year his form warrants it for sure.
With all due respect mate, perhaps slightly coloured lens in your glasses, he going well, but would be surprised if there a spot for him at higher level just yet.
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2023:
I honestly think the Aussies have more of a handle on this with Carter Gordon of the Rebels.
The rest of the Aussie first fives apart from Gordon are not up to much I don't believe Australia are ahead of us in developing First fives.
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2023:
Mounga and Barrett are where our depth will be tested next year. It is possible we may use guys like Moorby, Love, Sullivan, Heem by interchanging their positions and getting them to specialize more as 10s.
Cameron was class for the canes until he was injured. His defense and robustness may be an issue though.
