Crusaders vs Canes

broughie

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="No Quarter" data-cid="597446" data-time="1468710097">
<div>
I think the main thing holding the Crusaders back on Friday wasn't so much missing certain players, but that they have a far inferior coach. Toddy has made baffling selections throughout his tenure, regularly makes poor substitutions that don't make sense (I cheered when Franks went off), and doesn't seem to have any identifyable game plan to limit opposition stengths and maximise theirs. Compare that to Boyd, Rennie and Joseph and it's light and day. The Canes, Chiefs and Landers all have very distinct styles of play and you can see the players buy into it even when the heat is on. The Saders, particularly the backs, often look like headless chooks when the heat is applied. 
I don't want to be too harsh on Toddy as overall the Saders have been a strong team under his reign, but there is some pretty obvious mistakes he repeatedly makes which has limited their chances of taking the title despite having the best pack in the business.
</div>
</blockquote>
 
 
Todd Blackadder was a plodder as a rugby player. No understanding of flare. Maybe it is hard for him to think outside of the box and embrace the 15 man game. Maybe he would do better in England.

Cantab79

Not sure why people are attacking Todd Blackadder's ability as a player? I can only assume there are a few former All Black captains who frequent this forum. I'd have killed to have had Blackadder's Rugby career, and certainly wouldn't describe him as a "plodder".

broughie

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Cyclops" data-cid="597462" data-time="1468712354">
<div>
I feel bad saying this, but Toddy coaches like he plays - workmanlike, honest and loyal with a fair amount of leadership but lacking that extra 10-15% that just makes the difference.
 
Took a squad that was just about the best in the competition and got just about the best results - but couldn't convert those key moments (i.e. finals) that make the difference between good and great.
</div>
</blockquote>
 
Should have read the thread before posting.

broughie

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Cantab79" data-cid="597505" data-time="1468718115">
<div>
Not sure why people are attacking Todd Blackadder's ability as a player? I can only assume there are a few former All Black captains who frequent this forum. I'd have killed to have had Blackadder's Rugby career, and certainly wouldn't describe him as a "plodder".
</div>
</blockquote>
 
When he was playing there were plenty of people outside of Canterbury asking if this is the best we have? Impressive heart but I think there mainly because Canterbury was so good.

antipodean

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Chris B." data-cid="597488" data-time="1468715415">2011 was easily his best year and I think he was probably a bit robbed by the earthquake.</blockquote> Yeah the travel killed them in the end. Easily the best team all season. If the Reds didn't have Quade that year, it was all Crusaders.

Tim

<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://gfycat.com/ShockingPlumpDuck'>https://gfycat.com/ShockingPlumpDuck</a>

SammyC

Heard Blackadder on radio sport this morning. 
Apparently we can't get a flight to South Africa until Tuesday. 
Astounding lack of planning and foresite from crusaders management. As I would expect

Cantab79

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="SammyC" data-cid="597533" data-time="1468721769">
<div>
Heard Blackadder on radio sport this morning. 
Apparently we can't get a flight to South Africa until Tuesday. 
Astounding lack of planning and foresite from crusaders management. As I would expect
</div>
</blockquote>
 
 
I heard we're on the same flight as the Chiefs. So they're management is incompetent as well?

canefan

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Cantab79" data-cid="597536" data-time="1468722549">
I heard we're on the same flight as the Chiefs. So they're management is incompetent as well?</blockquote>Whatever fits your narrative

SammyC

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Cantab79" data-cid="597536" data-time="1468722549">
I heard we're on the same flight as the Chiefs. So they're management is incompetent as well?</blockquote>
 
Chiefs are playing at sea level so acclimatising isn't such an issue 
Also I think the Chiefs management have proven themselves consistently over the last few years, ours haven't.

Toddy

Didnt the Chief's charter a flight from Dunedin? There's a photo on Facebook and I can't see any Crusaders on the flight (it's a shit photo though)

taniwharugby

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Cantab79" data-cid="597505" data-time="1468718115">
<div>
Not sure why people are attacking Todd Blackadder's ability as a player? I can only assume there are a few former All Black captains who frequent this forum. I'd have killed to have had Blackadder's Rugby career, and certainly wouldn't describe him as a "plodder".
</div>
</blockquote>
 
I expect his own playing style will have some bearing on how he coaches?

MN5

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Cantab79" data-cid="597505" data-time="1468718115">
<div>
Not sure why people are attacking Todd Blackadder's ability as a player? I can only assume there are a few former All Black captains who frequent this forum. I'd have killed to have had Blackadder's Rugby career, and certainly wouldn't describe him as a "plodder".
</div>
</blockquote>
 
A cantab jumping to the defence of one of his favourite sons. There's a first on this forum.
 
At AB level Blackadder was a plodder, too small for lock not dynamic enough for 6/8. Gut and effort only get some players so far.

mimic

i thought blackadder was picked because he was a good captain? 
mind you thats probably why thorne was picked as well..

MN5

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="mimic" data-cid="597553" data-time="1468723931">
<div>
i thought blackadder was picked because he was a good captain? 
mind you thats probably why thorne was picked as well.. 
</div>
</blockquote>
 
Enough people who know far more than me said Thorne excelled at the shit work and I remember him being good at the back of the lineout. Had about as much impact with ball in hand as a fly hitting a windshield though which is probably why he was so polarizing.....didn't help that other loosies Dallaglio/Finegan/Venter etc were so good at trampling blokes underfoot.

nostrildamus

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="broughie" data-cid="597502" data-time="1468717679">
<div>
Todd Blackadder was a plodder as a rugby player. No understanding of flare.
</div>
</blockquote>
Are you saying he is hopeless when lost at sea? Or only wears bootleg?

nostrildamus

Todd Blackadder: the numbers (don't mean that much IMO)
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/82068078/andrew-voerman-numbers-suggest-crusaders-coach-todd-blackadder-gets-a-rough-deal'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/82068078/andrew-voerman-numbers-suggest-crusaders-coach-todd-blackadder-gets-a-rough-deal</a>

SammyC

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Toddy" data-cid="597548" data-time="1468723617">
Didnt the Chief's charter a flight from Dunedin? There's a photo on Facebook and I can't see any Crusaders on the flight (it's a shit photo though)</blockquote>
 
Nope we are flying out Tuesday, according to what I heard on radio sport.

Tim

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Cantab79" data-cid="597536" data-time="1468722549">
<div>
I heard we're on the same flight as the Chiefs. So they're management is incompetent as well?
</div>
</blockquote>
 
Not unless the Crusaders are flying on Monday too.
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/82168514/seta-tamanivalu-out-of-chiefs-super-rugby-quarterfinal-against-stormers'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/82168514/seta-tamanivalu-out-of-chiefs-super-rugby-quarterfinal-against-stormers</a>
 
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">
 
After flying from Dunedin to Auckland on Sunday morning, the Chiefs would have ideally headed to Sydney on Sunday night and flew out from there Monday morning, however, with no accommodation available in Sydney, they are staying the night in Auckland, walking across to the airport at 3am and flying out at 6am.
</blockquote>

hydro11

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="SammyC" data-cid="597547" data-time="1468723441">
<div>
Chiefs are playing at sea level so acclimatising isn't such an issue 
Also I think the Chiefs management have proven themselves consistently over the last few years, ours haven't.
</div>
</blockquote>
They were basically saying on the radio that SANZAR/NZRU sorts out the flights. Whoever was playing in South Africa would be on that flight.

The Silver Fern

Crusaders vs Canes