Justin Marshall gone
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@taniwharugby said in Justin Marshall gone:
I've always felt Marshall is a much better analyst than commentator, particularly when he used to do articles for stuff or the herald.
Think in the commentator box he let's his emotions get the better of him and speaks before thinking
I find his TV analysis, particularly on replays, is often really good - sometimes brilliant. I also like the way he gets emotional/excited about great rugby whoever's playing, Don't like how acts a bit like a buffoon and he jumps to the wrong conclusions way too often.
Overall he adds colour and context and there are way worse comments people out there.
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@Stargazer said in Justin Marshall gone:
Apart from Rikki Swannell, I don't rate most of the commentators highly,
She's great and up there with Andrew Cotter in my book. Love to see her doing more top level rugby
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@Stargazer said in Justin Marshall gone:
@Kirwan said in Justin Marshall gone:
I wish they would get ex-coaches instead of ex-players.
Agree that McTanish is the best commentator going around, they just need to bite the bullet and make the change.
Ex-players, who are also (ex-)referees, might be the exception. Or just good (ex-)referees. They had Glen Jackson on the Breakdown a few years ago and he was really good. He's coaching now, so not sure he's available. I wonder whether Mike Fraser, who recently retired as a ref and is now a high performance referee coach, would be good as a (guest) commentator. There must be a few others.
Ex-refs in general would also be good.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Justin Marshall gone:
I find his TV analysis, particularly on replays, is often really good - sometimes brilliant.
It's ok on replay but fucking atrocious on live play.
As soon as Marshall starts talking about how everyone's positioned and what play they're going to do, dollars to donuts it's going to be pretty much the opposite. I guess it is quite good because when he calls it you know you don't have to look out for that.
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@Bones said in Justin Marshall gone:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Justin Marshall gone:
I find his TV analysis, particularly on replays, is often really good - sometimes brilliant.
It's ok on replay but fucking atrocious on live play.
As soon as Marshall starts talking about how everyone's positioned and what play they're going to do, dollars to donuts it's going to be pretty much the opposite. I guess it is quite good because when he calls it you know you don't have to look out for that.
On the plus side, he never says: "Space out wide...!!"
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Justin Marshall gone:
@Bones said in Justin Marshall gone:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Justin Marshall gone:
I find his TV analysis, particularly on replays, is often really good - sometimes brilliant.
It's ok on replay but fucking atrocious on live play.
As soon as Marshall starts talking about how everyone's positioned and what play they're going to do, dollars to donuts it's going to be pretty much the opposite. I guess it is quite good because when he calls it you know you don't have to look out for that.
On the plus side, he never says: "Space out wide...!!"
I wouldn't be so sure...
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Up in the NH they had ex-ref Nigel Owens as "extra comments / ref insight" in the 6 Nations matches. He was great especially on interpreting the new laws, and he frequently disagreed with the match day ref. Always good for interesting and insightful explanations as to why the match ref had blown up for the penalty and put into context what the ref was looking for.
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@Jailbreak7 said in Justin Marshall gone:
Up in the NH they had ex-ref Nigel Owens as "extra comments / ref insight" He was great especially on the new laws, and frequently disagreed with the match ref. Always good for interesting and insightful explanations as to why the match ref had blown up for the penalty.
Couldn’t disagree more.
Had no respect for the refs not having the replays and turned into a rabid Welsh fan always always taking a view in favour of the Taffs.
The most disappointing commentator ever.
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@KiwiMurph said in Justin Marshall gone:
I quite enjoy Ben Castle's work. Has the prop insight and is a smooth communicator.
That's a critical skill/talent that really adds to the viewing experience IMO. I don't care so much about how much they know or what they did in the 'good ol days' - if they can string sentences together in a clear voice that has the right mix of levelheadedness and emotion of the game.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Justin Marshall gone:
if they can string sentences together in a clear voice
Ian Jones ticked a few boxes but fell down on the voice. It was just difficult to listen too.
I don't watch much league but I'm always shocked when I hear Halligan attempting to speak
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@MajorRage said in Justin Marshall gone:
@Jailbreak7 said in Justin Marshall gone:
Up in the NH they had ex-ref Nigel Owens as "extra comments / ref insight" He was great especially on the new laws, and frequently disagreed with the match ref. Always good for interesting and insightful explanations as to why the match ref had blown up for the penalty.
Couldn’t disagree more.
Had no respect for the refs not having the replays and turned into a rabid Welsh fan always always taking a view in favour of the Taffs.
The most disappointing commentator ever.
Also a terrible look for World Rugby to have one of your recently retired top refs criticising match day officials. Also encourages ref-moaning on the
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@junior said in Justin Marshall gone:
@MajorRage said in Justin Marshall gone:
@Jailbreak7 said in Justin Marshall gone:
Up in the NH they had ex-ref Nigel Owens as "extra comments / ref insight" He was great especially on the new laws, and frequently disagreed with the match ref. Always good for interesting and insightful explanations as to why the match ref had blown up for the penalty.
Couldn’t disagree more.
Had no respect for the refs not having the replays and turned into a rabid Welsh fan always always taking a view in favour of the Taffs.
The most disappointing commentator ever.
Also a terrible look for World Rugby to have one of your recently retired top refs criticising match day officials. Also encourages ref-moaning on the
Yeah, that's my biggest gripe (and another horrible aspect of Marshall). The amount of grief refs get from comms in rugby is awful and a really poor advertisement. It's usually less prevalent in NH comms, but Nige upped the stakes there a bit. Kiwi and OZ comms are terrible for it.
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@Duluth said in Justin Marshall gone:
@ACT-Crusader said in Justin Marshall gone:
if they can string sentences together in a clear voice
Ian Jones ticked a few boxes but fell down on the voice. It was just difficult to listen too.
Unfortunately that applies to some of the current "expert" or sideline commentators.
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@Bones said in Justin Marshall gone:
@junior said in Justin Marshall gone:
@MajorRage said in Justin Marshall gone:
@Jailbreak7 said in Justin Marshall gone:
Up in the NH they had ex-ref Nigel Owens as "extra comments / ref insight" He was great especially on the new laws, and frequently disagreed with the match ref. Always good for interesting and insightful explanations as to why the match ref had blown up for the penalty.
Couldn’t disagree more.
Had no respect for the refs not having the replays and turned into a rabid Welsh fan always always taking a view in favour of the Taffs.
The most disappointing commentator ever.
Also a terrible look for World Rugby to have one of your recently retired top refs criticising match day officials. Also encourages ref-moaning on the
Yeah, that's my biggest gripe (and another horrible aspect of Marshall). The amount of grief refs get from comms in rugby is awful and a really poor advertisement. It's usually less prevalent in NH comms, but Nige upped the stakes there a bit. Kiwi and OZ comms are terrible for it.
That was my main issue with Sumo as a lead rugby commentator. Wouldn't dare criticise the players for obvious fuck ups as there was a chance he might get on the beers with them later, but he'd happily rip into a refereeing decision given even the slightest chance.
