It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.
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@Kiwiwomble One thing is for sure there is going to be a real vacum left in the Super Franchises with coaches leaving for the All Black spot. With the possible signing of Brad Shields, it would be good to have a slight reversal of our player exodus.
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@gt12 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
I'd prefer not to lose him now that he is finally selecting some players in the right place (e.g., Dmac 10, Stevenson 15) but McMillan could be a smokey to be involved, in which case it could be potentially three jobs.
McMillan might be better off sticking with the Chiefs as a head coach.
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@SBW1 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Kiwiwomble One thing is for sure there is going to be a real vacum left in the Super Franchises with coaches leaving for the All Black spot. With the possible signing of Brad Shields, it would be good to have a slight reversal of our player exodus.
A good problem to have, finally having super rugby coach's step up to the AB level instead of just heading overseas.
The "must have international experience" line always bugged me as it basically guaranteed that our best and brightest rugby coaching talent "had to" go overseas and we'd just hope they'd come back at some stage.
Exporting all your best talent out to the opposition doesn't seem like the smartest development pathway for an organization to take...
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@Machpants said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
I just clicked that razors four years doesn't have a mid way check, it's a four year contract. That's the first in a while.
Well that shows supreme confidence from the board - though I don't know if I should feel reassured or if I should burst out laughing.
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@Windows97 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Machpants said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
I just clicked that razors four years doesn't have a mid way check, it's a four year contract. That's the first in a while.
Well that shows supreme confidence from the board - though I don't know if I should feel reassured or if I should burst out laughing.
Since NZR ditched the assistant coaches, hopefully they've got the balls to do the same if razor flops as bad as foster has
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@Machpants you'd like to think that they have some KPI checks set in the contract (cos you think there would be lessons learnt from the last 4 years...)
An interview with Robinson on TV the other morning they were asking about KPIs (was a silly question as they were asking specific KPIs about winning) and he refused to discuss the KPIs in his contract.
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@Machpants said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
I just clicked that razors four years doesn't have a mid way check, it's a four year contract. That's the first in a while.
personally i think that's a good thing
The two year review rarely results in a change, it just gives the fucking media something to speculate over.
You can still fire him if he sucks, you just don't have a set date where the media will try to make a decision for you
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@mariner4life I agree entirely with that statement.
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@Windows97 I think we need to either keep Leon at the Blues or include him as an assistant. It would be terrible loosing him to Scotland after coaching a development All Black squad, he has too much inside knowledge.
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@mariner4life said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Machpants said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
I just clicked that razors four years doesn't have a mid way check, it's a four year contract. That's the first in a while.
personally i think that's a good thing
The two year review rarely results in a change, it just gives the fucking media something to speculate over.
You can still fire him if he sucks, you just don't have a set date where the media will try to make a decision for you
agreed, and after reading some of the names in the veterans thread, maybe he's sold them on a bit of a rebuild, make those that are hanging around prove themselves again and give some new guys a chance, which would all take time
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@SBW1 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
With the possible signing of Brad Shields, it would be good to have a slight reversal of our player exodus.
That's not really a really a reversal of our player exodus, it's a foreigner taking a NZ player's spot.
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@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Frank said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Wonder with that gossip about Ryan snubbing Razor once he got the AB gig and Razor mentioning the word 'loyalty' in his coaching team that he might bypass Jason Ryan.
Seems unlikely, but wondering if it is a possibility.
Any sauces from the Canterbury guys here?
I doubt Ryan would be so short-sighted but if true that would be a shame, the forwards noticeably improved when he joined the AB coaches.
It isn't the forwards performance which is the issue, it's the consistency. They went walkabout in the 2nd half against England in the same way as they did against France in '21 and often against Ireland last year. Fixing that is key.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Frank said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Wonder with that gossip about Ryan snubbing Razor once he got the AB gig and Razor mentioning the word 'loyalty' in his coaching team that he might bypass Jason Ryan.
Seems unlikely, but wondering if it is a possibility.
Any sauces from the Canterbury guys here?
I doubt Ryan would be so short-sighted but if true that would be a shame, the forwards noticeably improved when he joined the AB coaches.
It isn't the forwards performance which is the issue, it's the consistency. They went walkabout in the 2nd half against England in the same way as they did against France in '21 and often against Ireland last year. Fixing that is key.
Disagree. Overall the tight 5 in particular has improved.
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@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Disagree. Overall the tight 5 in particular has improved.
They are just as inconsistent as the loosies and go AWOL just as frequently - some improvement around the ruck & maul and not making basic errors but that's about it. It's the lack of consistency and clear heads which remains the big issue to fix.
The AB forwards performance for much of the 2nd half against France in '21 was some of the best I've seen for a long time - the building blocks were there then but still need to be developed and bedded in.
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@kiwi_expat said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
In all seriousness, this is brilliant news for NZ Rugby, for a few reasons.
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Robertson will bring an immense amount of energy and enthusiasm to the role. This has been terribly lacking under 'low energy' Ian Foster.
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Robertson is a passionate learner of the game. He spends every off-season traveling the world visiting successful teams and learning methods from successful coaches.
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Robertson teams have historically played above the sum of their parts. Players have played above themselves under his systems. Over the last four years players have consistently struggled for form whilst with the AB's. It's because the systems were not conducive to playing well.
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I expect Robertson to bring plenty of innovation to the All Blacks. After 4 shitty years of structure-less attack, flat attacking backlines and ridiculous pod systems that simply allowed other teams to dominate numbers at the breakdown, I expect this will be a new and exciting era for the All Blacks.
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Robertson has shown that he is excellent at developing young talent. And that will be crucial over the next 4 years. With experienced All Blacks departing NZ, we need a coach who can introduce new talent into the team, develop their confidence whilst also harnessing their enthusiasm and energy. When was the last time a young new All Black played with confidence under Foster?
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I suspect part of what gave Robertson the edge over someone like Jamie Joseph is that he's NZ based. He knows the NZ players better. This will be vital as over the next few years selection is going to be absolutely critical. Identifying and selecting the right players will be crucial.
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I also think this appointment sends a great message to NZ coaches. It says that you can stay in NZ Rugby and still reach the top. Previously we've had the ridiculous inference that if you want to coach the AB's you've got to leave NZ and coach overseas. And all this has done is exacerbate the brain-drain of talented coaches offshore. Why would we deliberately encourage our best and most aspirational coaches to leave NZ? It's the opposite of what we try and do with our players, by only picking locally based players for the AB's.
BAM! MIC DROPPED THAT BITCH.
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