NZ All Time XI

[mariner4life]

@MN5 said in NZ All Time XI:

@bayimports said in NZ All Time XI:

So circling back ...is Turner on the NZ Mt Rushmore?

Sounds like a pretty good argument right now to suggest he might be

Probably.

Bearing in mind the big jump from 2nd to 3rd I think Ross Taylor deserves some thought at the very least.

i watched Ross hole out to cow corner at crucial times and walk off looking mournfully at the toe of his bat far too often to raise him to such a lofty position

[KiwiMurph]

@dogmeat said in NZ All Time XI:

A decade on and his disciplinarian approach didn't go down so well with the likes of Cairns and Parore. Grumpy Turner didn't like precious dicks behaving like prima donnas. Unfortunately? player power won out and NZC ditched Turner

Turner making Lee Germon captain was very much a 'cut your nose off to spite your face' scenario.

[MN5]

@mariner4life said in NZ All Time XI:

@MN5 said in NZ All Time XI:

@bayimports said in NZ All Time XI:

So circling back ...is Turner on the NZ Mt Rushmore?

Sounds like a pretty good argument right now to suggest he might be

Probably.

Bearing in mind the big jump from 2nd to 3rd I think Ross Taylor deserves some thought at the very least.

i watched Ross hole out to cow corner at crucial times and walk off looking mournfully at the toe of his bat far too often to raise him to such a lofty position

All tortured genius’s have their flaws.

and given we’ve had fuck all of them he gets a mention. Our top test run scorer for awhile til KW took over.

[Gunner]

@mikedogz said in NZ All Time XI:

I like this video.

The Yorker that got Gilchrist is the delivery that always plays out in my head whenever the name Shane Bond comes up.

What a delivery!!!!

[Victor Meldrew]

@MN5 said in NZ All Time XI:

All good info on him from some of our older ferners who remember him

I haven't been into cricket for a good few years now but, from what I have seen, using the BC's of the last 3-4 years as the basis for an All Time XI makes perfect sense - outstanding generation of players.

[Rapido]

I heard a remarkable stat today on The Top Order podcast.

That Kane Williamson averages 81.5 in NZ test victories, in 40 test wins.

Which is second only to Bradman, who averaged 130ish in test victories.

I'm off to do some statsguruing .....

Edit. here is the query: https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=2000;qualval1=runs;result=1;template=results;type=batting

[Rapido]

^^ Which makes me wonder about the Kane v Hadlee (fore to unthinkable) discussion as the NZ GOAT.

So, did the same for Hadlee, but bowling.

And, well well well ....

Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

Screenshot 2023-03-22 at 4.20.50 PM

Also, Allrounder ranking (still based on the bowling query conditions, so if say - you included a threshold of 100 runs, as well as the 100 wickets condition I was using, he would miss cut).
Screenshot 2023-03-22 at 4.22.37 PM

[mikedogz]

Watling should be worth a look for the Mount Rushmore top four.

[canefan]

@mikedogz said in NZ All Time XI:

Watling should be worth a look for the Mount Rushmore top four.

Best test keeper surely?

[MN5]

Watling gets overlooked because Baz was so much more exciting.

But yeah, he’d be my number one keeper ( but then again Blundell is just continuing the trend )

It’s a pretty thankless task though, when one thinks “all time cricket legend” it’s very, very rarely a keeper who gets nominated.

[booboo]

Hate to go past Smithy as keeper, because childhood hero ...

[booboo]

@booboo said in NZ All Time XI:

Hate to go past Smithy as keeper, because childhood hero ...

Goes to show how old Smithy is though huh ?

[Old Samurai Jack]

@booboo Talking to oneself is the first sign of madness.

[dogmeat]

@Rapido That's a lot of wins for Boult and a fair batting average for a guy batting 10 or 11. Must be padded with a lot of NO.

That guy Sobers looks pretty good.

[Rapido]

@dogmeat said in NZ All Time XI:

@Rapido That's a lot of wins for Boult and a fair batting average for a guy batting 10 or 11. Must be padded with a lot of NO.

That guy Sobers looks pretty good.

That's interesting, I hadn't noticed him in that table.

I know at one point he was statistically the best number 11 in history, he may still be.

[Rapido]

@Rapido said in NZ All Time XI:

@dogmeat said in NZ All Time XI:

@Rapido That's a lot of wins for Boult and a fair batting average for a guy batting 10 or 11. Must be padded with a lot of NO.

That guy Sobers looks pretty good.

That's interesting, I hadn't noticed him in that table.

I know at one point he was statistically the best number 11 in history, he may still be.

But what I did find interesting there was the difference in bowling wickets (and average) for Boult v Hadlee in victories.

The much lower wickets ratio would be explained by the 4 seamers balance that Boult operated in, sharing them around more.

The higher averages can be explained probably in part bu the patterns of NZ home wins in this era. Usually a cheap first innings but a real attritional grind in the second innings.

Did a query for NZ bowlers only - in victories:

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=bowling_average;qualmin2=50;qualval2=wickets;result=1;team=5;template=results;type=bowlingScreenshot 2023-03-23 at 10.59.32 AM

[KiwiPie]

@dogmeat said in NZ All Time XI:

@Rapido That's a lot of wins for Boult and a fair batting average for a guy batting 10 or 11. Must be padded with a lot of NO.

That guy Sobers looks pretty good.

Imagine the IPL bidding for Sobers at his peak. That would be a good topic actually, your all time world T20 team for players at their peak. King Viv, Joel Garner etc etc

[MN5]

@dogmeat said in NZ All Time XI:

@Rapido That's a lot of wins for Boult and a fair batting average for a guy batting 10 or 11. Must be padded with a lot of NO.

That guy Sobers looks pretty good.

Boult would bat nine most teams.

For a country that gave the world Chris Martin I have to say I can’t think of any genuine donkeys with the bat. Look how well Matt Henry has done as the latest example

[No Quarter]

@KiwiPie said in NZ All Time XI:

@dogmeat said in NZ All Time XI:

@Rapido That's a lot of wins for Boult and a fair batting average for a guy batting 10 or 11. Must be padded with a lot of NO.

That guy Sobers looks pretty good.

Imagine the IPL bidding for Sobers at his peak. That would be a good topic actually, your all time world T20 team for players at their peak. King Viv, Joel Garner etc etc

A current player but Kohli's record in the shorter formats is absolutely unbelievable. Greatest ever T20 and ODI batsmen from what I can see in terms of sheer runs scored plus averages north of 50.

[mariner4life]

@No-Quarter said in NZ All Time XI:

@KiwiPie said in NZ All Time XI:

@dogmeat said in NZ All Time XI:

@Rapido That's a lot of wins for Boult and a fair batting average for a guy batting 10 or 11. Must be padded with a lot of NO.

That guy Sobers looks pretty good.

Imagine the IPL bidding for Sobers at his peak. That would be a good topic actually, your all time world T20 team for players at their peak. King Viv, Joel Garner etc etc

A current player but Kohli's record in the shorter formats is absolutely unbelievable. Greatest ever T20 and ODI batsmen from what I can see in terms of sheer runs scored plus averages north of 50.

kohli's 50-over stats are frankly ridiculous. Gets a century every 6 innings. Tendulkar is the only player to have more 100s than him. the difference is 3. the difference in games is 189.