Foster, Robertson etc
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@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I'd like those claiming Joseph is the better coach to at least attempt to back it up with some evidence - they can't.
4I would suggest none of us know who the best coach is, we haven't been coached by them, and to be honest, from what I have read on posts, most are looking at results only. Not a lot seem to think coaching at different levels requires usually different skills, from what I have seen most have got their knowledge from reading opinions of other posters or so called press.
I have to say I find it hard to disagree with Mariner4life about how arrogant some so called AB supporters appear to be, an awful lot seem to know a lot more about requirements of top level coaches than the people actually talking to and involved in the process of appointing coaches, a lot seem to get an awful lot of knowledge sitting on their arses in whatever part of the world they are in!
To be honest, Dan - how much do the people making the appointments really know? Who's been to spend a week inside Jamie Joseph's coaching set-up?
You don't have to go far to see some appalling coaching appointments.
Who were the experts who decided Grizz should have John Hart foisted on him?
Who sacked Wayne Smith and appointed Mitch?
Who came up with the plan to effectively interview coaching teams and ended up with Plumtree and Mooar and shutting off access to seemingly better candidates?
(The whole 1990s, was basically politicking and backstabbing and little reference to ability).
I'd go as far as to say no-one knows who will succeed/fail (not even the candidates for the position themselves) and frankly some of the margins are so thin between success and failure - that it's a coin toss. If Stephen Donald misses that kick, Graham Henry doesn't have a knighthood - he's a two time loser who in his own words "didn't know if he'd be able to live in this country".
At the end of the day, the main thing in the interview panel's favour is that all of the serious contenders are good coaches.
What I recall from my studies is that interviews in general have very little validity in determining the best candidate for a job - the rest of us can basically "Moneyball" the various coaches records and probably have as much chance of picking a winner as Mark Robinson's team.
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Indeed, the CEO buck stops there should be long gone
'Where is Mark Robinson?': NZR CEO accused of being 'missing in action'
David Moffet has accused NZR's board of chasing recognition and the novelty of being in close proximity to the All Blacks.
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@Machpants there is so much irony dripping off that article there is now a puddle of it on my desk
shut your fucking mouth for once in your life David
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@Chris-B agree who knows , but I would suggest that people who are involved with making appointments have a bloody sight more ability to find out how Japan's, Crusaders etc training camps are run etc, surely much more than than any posters on rugby forum. Of course every now and then they get it wrong, as is the case with any sporting body anywhere in world, If you read this thread having any idea of anything doesn’t stop people having opinions etc, no matter how crazy.
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@george33 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@george33 it's not what u no but I no to much
....are you arguing with yourself?
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I am getting more confused I need meds too.
if meds is beer then me too
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I am getting more confused I need meds too.
"Dame Patsy, our highly respected former Governor-General, is it true that you are fronting a completely bogus recruitment process for All Black coach, in which the outcome is already decided, but through which you're going to drag a fair percentage of our elite coaches (one way or another), line up a highly reputable panel of assessors who will be patsies for this pre-determined outcome, and if word of this happens to leak (which apparently it has), everyone involved will have their reputation shot to pieces and will be fired from board, executive or any other rugby role they happen to hold?"
Dame Patsy: "What the fuck?!!!"
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@Chris-B said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I am getting more confused I need meds too.
"Dame Patsy, our highly respected former Governor-General, is it true that you are fronting a completely bogus recruitment process for All Black coach, in which the outcome is already decided, but through which you're going to drag a fair percentage of our elite coaches (one way or another), line up a highly reputable panel of assessors who will be patsies for this pre-determined outcome, and if word of this happens to leak (which apparently it has), everyone involved will have their reputation shot to pieces and will be fired from board, executive or any other rugby role they happen to hold?"
Dame Patsy: "What the fuck?!!!"
That’s far to much logic for this thread 😀
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@george33 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris as I said it's Schmidt and I'm not his mother and big name bolter with him and u can look forward to this
If Schmidt was told 2 weeks ago why not announce him as AB coach ?and not go through a pretend interview process with other coaches ?
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@george33 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris as I said it's Schmidt and I'm not his mother and big name bolter with him and u can look forward to this
If Schmidt was told 2 weeks ago why not announce him as AB coach ?and not go through a pretend interview process with other coaches ?
Because the only person that could blow your cover is illiterate?
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@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@george33 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris as I said it's Schmidt and I'm not his mother and big name bolter with him and u can look forward to this
If Schmidt was told 2 weeks ago why not announce him as AB coach ?and not go through a pretend interview process with other coaches ?
Because the only person that could blow your cover is illiterate?
Of course the answer was right before my eyes.
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@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I would suggest none of us know who the best coach is, we haven't been coached by them, and to be honest, from what I have read on posts, most are looking at results only. Not a lot seem to think coaching at different levels requires usually different skills, from what I have seen most have got their knowledge from reading opinions of other posters or so called press.
I have to say I find it hard to disagree with Mariner4life about how arrogant some so called AB supporters appear to be, an awful lot seem to know a lot more about requirements of top level coaches than the people actually talking to and involved in the process of appointing coaches, a lot seem to get an awful lot of knowledge sitting on their arses in whatever part of the world they are in!
Can we quote you on this if you ever say anything in the future about any part of rugby in which you are not personally an acknowledged expert?
In fact, why be on a sports forum at all if you think people expressing their views about sport is "arrogant"?
Me, I'm going to stick to having opinions, in the good knowledge that sometimes I will be wrong.
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@george33 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
....... and I'm not his mother and big name bolter with him ...........
what does this even mean?
