Foster, Robertson etc
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Collateral damage: ABs coaching change could spark widespread cleanout
Ian Foster's wider coaching and management team face a major cleanout after the World Cup.
"The Herald understands, however, Schmidt is less than impressed by the way in which New Zealand Rugby have handled the appointment process, and he is therefore highly unlikely to challenge Robertson and Joseph or carry on with the All Blacks after the World Cup."
"Schmidt worked with the Blues, alongside Leon MacDonald, last year and could potentially slide seamlessly into a similar role there if he wishes to remain connected to the New Zealand game."
"McLeod has strong ties to Joseph and his lieutenant Tony Brown, with the trio working together at the Highlanders during the surge to their sole title in 2015. But with Robertson pushing his case for the top job there are no guarantees McLeod survives beyond this year, either."
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@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@kiwi_expat i dont actually know what your trying to say now....do we or dont we base in on win rates regardless of how good the team they coached was?
let me translate
"Scott Robertson is the only choice no matter what criteria you choose and anyone who disagrees with me is incompetent"
the actual words don't matter.
Had the Fernies happened this was the easiest Broken Record winner in the history of the award
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@mariner4life it's Schmidt
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@mariner4life yes he was informed 2 weeks afo
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I'd like those claiming Joseph is the better coach to at least attempt to back it up with some evidence - they can't.
Joseph has had a couple of notable successes interspersed between inconsistent poor results and that has been a constant throughout his coaching career - Wellington, Maori All Blacks, Highlanders, Japan. His record is good on the surface level however upon closer examination it's not nearly as impressive as people make it to be, he's almost developed a bit of a mythical status where people have extremely selective memories, his reputation isn't affected by performances and poor results simply equates to good international experience.
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@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris-B said in Foster, Robertson etc:
This site lists coaching stats - not sure they're 100% accurate, but they seem not far away....
It appears that Joseph's record with Japan is even worse than I remember 47% (compared to Eddie's 66%).
Joseph is treated similar to Rennie (on TSF) where seemingly the more his international side loses the more his reputation increases.
Let's hope NZR appoint this time based off actual on-field coaching results - as opposed to simply how well they interview.
The latter approach resulted in appointing a guy in 2019 without any record of success as a head coach at any level.
After all it remains that the best predictor for future performance is past performance in a previous identical role.
Do you seriously compare a stacked Super team's results with a Tier 2/3 international one? Especially when said low tier side courts tier 1 games.
Japan probably play against more tier one sides than most lower tier countries.
Raw stats don't tell the story at all.
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@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@kiwi_expat i dont actually know what your trying to say now....do we or dont we base in on win rates regardless of how good the team they coached was?
let me translate
"Scott Robertson is the only choice no matter what criteria you choose and anyone who disagrees with me is incompetent"
the actual words don't matter.
Had the Fernies happened this was the easiest Broken Record winner in the history of the award
I'd like for those claiming Joseph is the better coach to at least attempt to back it up with some evidence - they can't.
Joseph has had a couple of notable successes interspersed between inconsistent poor results and that has been a constant throughout his coaching career - Wellington, Maori All Blacks, Highlanders, Japan. His record is good on the surface level however upon closer examination it's not nearly as impressive as people make it to be, he's almost developed a bit of a mythical status where people have extremely selective memories, his reputation isn't affected by performances and poor results simply equates to good international experience.
Who is claiming that he is the better coach?
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@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@kiwi_expat i dont actually know what your trying to say now....do we or dont we base in on win rates regardless of how good the team they coached was?
let me translate
"Scott Robertson is the only choice no matter what criteria you choose and anyone who disagrees with me is incompetent"
the actual words don't matter.
Had the Fernies happened this was the easiest Broken Record winner in the history of the award
I'd like for those claiming Joseph is the better coach to at least attempt to back it up with some evidence - they can't.
Joseph has had a couple of notable successes interspersed between inconsistent poor results and that has been a constant throughout his coaching career - Wellington, Maori All Blacks, Highlanders, Japan. His record is good on the surface level however upon closer examination it's not nearly as impressive as people make it to be, he's almost developed a bit of a mythical status where people have extremely selective memories, his reputation isn't affected by performances and poor results simply equates to good international experience.
Who is claiming that he is the better coach?
i refer you to my earlier translation. the actual words mean nothing
if old mate @george33 has some sort of secret sauce i reckon this joint is going to melt down and i am here for it.
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still cant fathom how McLeod attract so little of the shade (in the media circus or in the circles that seem to matter) given our less than ideal defence over the years.
I mean, if our defence had been better, Fosters record would look better...
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@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@kiwi_expat i dont actually know what your trying to say now....do we or dont we base in on win rates regardless of how good the team they coached was?
let me translate
"Scott Robertson is the only choice no matter what criteria you choose and anyone who disagrees with me is incompetent"
the actual words don't matter.
Had the Fernies happened this was the easiest Broken Record winner in the history of the award
I'd like for those claiming Joseph is the better coach to at least attempt to back it up with some evidence - they can't.
Joseph has had a couple of notable successes interspersed between inconsistent poor results and that has been a constant throughout his coaching career - Wellington, Maori All Blacks, Highlanders, Japan. His record is good on the surface level however upon closer examination it's not nearly as impressive as people make it to be, he's almost developed a bit of a mythical status where people have extremely selective memories, his reputation isn't affected by performances and poor results simply equates to good international experience.
Who is claiming that he is the better coach?
was just about to ask the same thing, the most ive seen is acknowledgement that he might also be in the running...one of the most JJ supportive comments being something like "i wouldn't mind if he got it"...a long way from anyone saying he was a significantly better coach
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If it is true Schmidt has been informed 2 weeks ago and a Ferner knows, everyone will know in the Rugby world.
No one else will apply if it is a done deal.
Why would Razor and JJ apply they would have heard the same rumour.
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@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Schmidt being told 2 weeks ago he was the next Blues coach makes more sense - given whatever happens Leon is gone.
Yeah that makes a lot more sense.
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@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:
And i will laugh my ass off if Joseph gets the job and everyone expresses how happy they are because the Razor fanboys won't actually be happy, and on top of that i distinctly remember threads on here about people want Joseph fired from every gig in NZ he's had over the years.
That's because he was never a resounding success as a coach, it wasn't until Tony Brown joined him in 2014 that he started to get good results, the seasons before Joseph's Highlanders had finished 14th/15, 9th, 11th.
Tony Brown is the most astute rugby mind NZ's produced since Wayne Smith & I credit the Highlander's 2015 title and 2019 WC upsets to him more than Joseph.
Rugby Database: Scott Robertson Coching Profile & Stats
