Black Caps v England
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v England:
@Crucial said in Black Caps v England:
Anyone want to have a crack at the other three Tests lost after enforcing the follow on?
Is that a question ?
Fairly sure one of them is when Dravid and Laxman scored a truckload between them.
yep
Oz got that one really wrong. Put India back in to score 657/7 then get skittled for 212One was in 1894 so I doubt even the GOM here will recall that (Aus v Eng @SCG)
The other was obviously also Aus loss. 1981 @ Headingley. The convicts got rolled for 111 chasing 230
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@Crucial said in Black Caps v England:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v England:
@Crucial said in Black Caps v England:
Anyone want to have a crack at the other three Tests lost after enforcing the follow on?
Is that a question ?
Fairly sure one of them is when Dravid and Laxman scored a truckload between them.
yep
Oz got that one really wrong. Put India back in to score 657/7 then get skittled for 212One was in 1894 so I doubt even the GOM here will recall that (Aus v Eng @SCG)
The other was obviously also Aus loss. 1981 @ Headingley. The convicts got rolled for 111 chasing 230
Well to be fair England could not possibly have come any closer to NOT joining that lot.
Have seen the replays a few times now. I genuinely feel bad for Jimmy Anderson.
I’ve said it on here before and I’ll say it again. Cricket is such a “Batsman’s” game ( never more so than in this era of T20 and Bazball )
Enough of Jimmys more recognised teammates shat the bed when the pressure was on and he had to come out and try and win it for his team…….he’s a bowler and while he’s no Chris Martin he bats 11 for a reason.
There’s never a case where frontline bowlers can’t get a breakthrough and batsmen who aren’t bowlers HAVE to come on and do the business.
If you’re a shit bowler you never have to do it. ( it speaks volumes that Stephen Fleming didnt turn the arm over for a SINGLE over in 111 tests )
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@Rapido said in Black Caps v England:
@Donsteppa said in Black Caps v England:
Second time in Tests (Oz v Windies 30 years ago), and second time in NZ First class cricket.
That was the test with the Ambrose 7 for 1 spell to end it.
No that magic spell was in Perth at the WACA. The 1 run win was in Adelaide, the test right before the WACA one.
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@Crucial said in Black Caps v England:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v England:
@Crucial said in Black Caps v England:
Anyone want to have a crack at the other three Tests lost after enforcing the follow on?
Is that a question ?
Fairly sure one of them is when Dravid and Laxman scored a truckload between them.
yep
Oz got that one really wrong. Put India back in to score 657/7 then get skittled for 212One was in 1894 so I doubt even the GOM here will recall that (Aus v Eng @SCG)
The other was obviously also Aus loss. 1981 @ Headingley. The convicts got rolled for 111 chasing 230
I remember that game well and they were chasing 130 i.e. not very much at all and I think they reached 50-1 before
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@KiwiPie said in Black Caps v England:
@Crucial said in Black Caps v England:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v England:
@Crucial said in Black Caps v England:
Anyone want to have a crack at the other three Tests lost after enforcing the follow on?
Is that a question ?
Fairly sure one of them is when Dravid and Laxman scored a truckload between them.
yep
Oz got that one really wrong. Put India back in to score 657/7 then get skittled for 212One was in 1894 so I doubt even the GOM here will recall that (Aus v Eng @SCG)
The other was obviously also Aus loss. 1981 @ Headingley. The convicts got rolled for 111 chasing 230
I remember that game well and they were chasing 130 i.e. not very much at all and I think they reached 50-1 before
8/43 Bob got that day. Have marked his with an (x)
1-13 Wood 2-56 Chappell (x) 3-58 Hughes (x) 4-58 Yallop (x)
5-65 Border 6-68 Dyson (x) 7-74 Marsh (x) 8-75 Lawson (x)
9-110 Lillee (x) 10-111 Bright (x)Beefy got MOTM though. A century (149) and a 6fer in Aus first innings
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@Crucial I was hitching through Norway. Got picked up by some Aussies around Jutenheim who were typically loud about how magnificent their team was and how shite the Poms were. This woud have been on the Saturday when the Poms were already one down needing about a gazillion to make the Aussies bat again.
Bumped into them again a few days later in Oslo and they were much more subdued.
The only way you could follow the match was to get an English language paper anbd read what had happened - usually two days late.
It was a fantastic series even following it from afar. History repeated in the next test although not quite so spectacularly. It was a very average Aussie batting order.
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@Crucial said in Black Caps v England:
@KiwiPie said in Black Caps v England:
@Crucial said in Black Caps v England:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v England:
@Crucial said in Black Caps v England:
Anyone want to have a crack at the other three Tests lost after enforcing the follow on?
Is that a question ?
Fairly sure one of them is when Dravid and Laxman scored a truckload between them.
yep
Oz got that one really wrong. Put India back in to score 657/7 then get skittled for 212One was in 1894 so I doubt even the GOM here will recall that (Aus v Eng @SCG)
The other was obviously also Aus loss. 1981 @ Headingley. The convicts got rolled for 111 chasing 230
I remember that game well and they were chasing 130 i.e. not very much at all and I think they reached 50-1 before
8/43 Bob got that day. Have marked his with an (x)
1-13 Wood 2-56 Chappell (x) 3-58 Hughes (x) 4-58 Yallop (x)
5-65 Border 6-68 Dyson (x) 7-74 Marsh (x) 8-75 Lawson (x)
9-110 Lillee (x) 10-111 Bright (x)Beefy got MOTM though. A century (149) and a 6fer in Aus first innings
A funny quirk about Bob Willis’s career is despite the 8 fer he never took ten wickets in a match. Ever.
Wouldn’t be many great bowlers ( and he was one ) with that dubious claim.
Joel Garner is another I can think of, he took fuck all 5 fers too !
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I’d watched a bit of the highlights and was working on the day Willis was doing the business. Walking down Taunton Hight Street and seeing a crowd gathered round the TV rental shop. We all stood around for a couple of hours watching it unfold.
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At one stage England were following on and 4-41. Even a humble Aussie fan (if such a thing exists) would have been past counting their chickens and onto planning the menu.
A pretty average Oz batting lineup and Border contributing only 8 runs in two innings probably a big factor
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@Catogrande said in Black Caps v England:
I’d watched a bit of the highlights and was working on the day Willis was doing the business. Walking down Taunton Hight Street and seeing a crowd gathered round the TV rental shop. We all stood around for a couple of hours watching it unfold.
Some old buggers on this website! I had glandular fever and was in bed for a week and had an B&W TV moved into my room. Had pretty much given up at 50-1, remember with 8 down and the runs building I was switching between TV and radio to change my luck.
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@Rapido said in Black Caps v England:
Stead says no changes for Sti Lanka , same 13, God save us from this man.
What changes could he actually make though?
Young's performance secured Nichools spot for the next series at least. Phillips is not a number 4 so can't replace Young.
The only realistic change would be Sodhi for Bracewell
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@LABCAT said in Black Caps v England:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v England:
Stead says no changes for Sti Lanka , same 13, God save us from this man.
What changes could he actually make though?
Young's performance secured Nichools spot for the next series at least. Phillips is not a number 4 so can't replace Young.
The only realistic change would be Sodhi for Bracewell
Bracewell should be gone, but Stead has a horn for him big time. Replace him with either Satnav, Ish, or Phillips and let him bowl. Just stop the madness
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There doesn't seem to be much love for the coach on this thread.
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@nostrildamus said in Black Caps v England:
There doesn't seem to be much love for the coach on this thread.
Stead would die to have the love the Fern has for Fozzie right now
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@Rapido said in Black Caps v England:
Stead says no changes for Sti Lanka , same 13, God save us from this man.
Why change he has to back the 11 who did the Job in the last test.
The other 2 cover the squad.
You win a test match like that one and make changes not a good coaching move the team will be unified after that win. -
I think a case could be reasonably made for swapping Bracewell for Sodhi, but after a win like that I think the question marks about the balance of the side, or Young & Nicholls all have to be set aside for another game.
And maybe even Bracewell gets the mental boost of the win, and the now relatively safe kick up the backside of that poor running, given they got away with it on the scoresheet. As much as a few of us were (rightly!) furious about that running, I suspect he's still more gutted about it than anyone...
If I was in the hot seat I suspect I'd think long and hard and eventually pick Sodhi at 8, but I don't think that is the style of Stead and Southee.
Joys of one run or one point in sport. Had it been a one wicket loss...! I've occasionally wondered how NZ rugby history would have gone had 2011 finished up 7 - 8 at Eden Park instead.
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It seemed a golden chance to try some younger players such as Ravindra or Phillips batting (and part-time spinners), seam bowling allrounders like Nathan Smith (really talented) and Henry Shipley (far better allround cricketers than Bracewell, and far better bowlers than Kuggeleijn and Tickner) or pick a proper spinner like Sodhi who actually averages more with the bat than Bracewell does anyway.
Everyone in our team is over 30 and we'll probably have mass retirements in about 3 years. Next summer we have South Africa and Australia coming for tests (part of the next WTC). It would be far better for young players to debut against SL now than against the Saffa and Aussie quicks.
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the rest of the team barely matters
just like our recent golden period, this was built on a Kane century, great runs from the keeper, and Wags cleaning up the middle order. The other 8 blokes are place holders
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@LABCAT said in Black Caps v England:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v England:
Phillips is not a number 4 so can't replace Young.
Phillips batted 4 for Otago vs Wellington which was on at the same time as the test and scored 61 off 67 in the 1st innings and 47 off 28 in the second. Sounds like our version of Harry Brook to me.
