All Blacks 2022
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial So I bought up 8 points in regards to his play - but because I didn't include 1 point you feel should be in there your going to rubbish the entire post.
Delightful...
Touchy.
I didn't rubbish your entire post at all. However I do think some of your points are bit dated.
Running sideways does still happen but not as much as it used to and it isn't away from support it is buying time and looking for a hole. When you are a little fella the last thing you want is to get caught where there isn't support so sometimes you take a step back and dodge until you know someone is ready behind you. 2017, 2018 yep he still used to try to go by himself too much.
As for running too often instead of kicking, I'm not sure where you are coming from on that unless again you are picturing years ago when he had licence to have a crack from the back (often to great effect). At 10 he mixes up his kicking game a lot keeping defences on their toes. -
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm jumping on the DMac bandwagon which is being headed by @Crucial. Mostly because I haven't seen him play much lately so have forgotten all his flaws. That said I think 10 has suited him well when I've seen him there, he's played much more within himself while still being a real threat with ball in hand. At FB he seems to try and turn every kick return into a try which leads to errors.
This would be nice to see for the ABs
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
because I haven't seen him play much lately so have forgotten all his flaws. .
Just for a refresher - goal kicking flakey at times, game management suffers due to running the ball too often instead of kicking, runs sideways across the field away from his support too often.
But excellent from broken field play, runs good lines, constantly challenges the defensive line and has a great boot when he decides to use it.
Geez it is hard to shake off the past isn't it? I'm not saying that Dmac is no longer a rocks and diamonds player but only those that haven't been watching since just before he went to Japan would ignore his distribution and eye for space (whether by hand, foot or run).
I still think that he is the best 10 in the country at putting the ball onto a runners chest and through a hole. He is always looking to place the ball right where it is needed. Of course some tactical kicks don't come off but at least he sees where it should go.
Robust as all hell but size is still an issue at the very top level if targeted.Hey I'm coming around to your line of thinking, embrace it! I agree with all you said there, I hope he gets plenty of time at 10 in Super rugby and pushes his case
Edit - whoops I thought you quoted my original post
I mixed up two quoted posts. Yours was to illustrate my point about distribution.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
You crack me up Stargazer. You're like Mark Nicholas, the Englishman that absolutely loves all things Aussie cricket. Or Stephen Jones and his love of English rugby. You're not from Christchurch, but your bedroom is decked out in red and black flags with life sized posters of Richie Mo'unga and David Havili on the wall.
Wouldn't the Riche poster be hiding in the back and the Havili souvenir more likely be a paper folder?
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Frank Bunce: All Blacks midfield on song but time for change in outside backs
The Frank Bunce area of expertise - the midfield - has chopped and changed throughout Ian Foster's tenure as head coach of the All Blacks.
Bunce:
11 ?
12 Barrett
13 Ioane
14 Talea
15 Jordan -
personally i think clarke did enough against england to keep the spot but if we had to drop him i actually didn't mind reece at 11 when ive seen it
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All Blacks player ratings: High highs and low lows for centres and outside backs
The All Blacks' midfielders and outside backs mixed moments of the sublime with an equal number of moments of despair in 2022.
Full ratings
Hookers:
Dane Coles – 4/10
Samisoni Taukei’aho – 8
Codie Taylor – 5
Asafo Aumua – N/A
Props:
Aidan Ross – N/A
George Bower – 6
Nepo Laulala – 4
Angus Ta’avao – 4
Ofa Tu’ungafasi – 5
Karl Tu’inukuafe – N/A
Tyrel Lomax – 7
Ethan de Groot – 6
Fletcher Newell – 5
Locks:
Scott Barrett – 7
Josh Lord – N/A
Brodie Retallick – 7
Tupou Vaa’i – 5
Sam Whitelock – 7
Josh Dickson – N/A
Patrick Tuipulotu – N/A
Loose forwards:
Sam Cane – 6
Akira Ioane – 6
Dalton Papali’i – 7
Ardie Savea – 8
Hoskins Sotutu – 6
Pita Gus Sowakula – N/A
Shannon Frizell – 6
Billy Harmon – N/A
Halfbacks:
Finlay Christie – 5
Folau Fakatava – 5
Aaron Smith – 6
Brad Weber – N/A
TJ Perenara – 6
First fives:
Beauden Barrett – 5
Richie Mo’unga – 7
Stephen Perofeta – N/A
Midfield:
David Havili – 5
Jack Goodhue – N/A
Rieko Ioane – 7
Roger Tuivasa-Sheck – N/A
Quinn Tupaea – 6
Braydon Ennor – N/A
Anton Lienert-Brown – 5
Outside backs:
Caleb Clarke – 6
Leicester Fainga’anuku – 5
Will Jordan – 6
Sevu Reece – 5
Jordie Barrett – 7
Mark Telea – 8
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm jumping on the DMac bandwagon which is being headed by @Crucial. Mostly because I haven't seen him play much lately so have forgotten all his flaws. That said I think 10 has suited him well when I've seen him there, he's played much more within himself while still being a real threat with ball in hand. At FB he seems to try and turn every kick return into a try which leads to errors.
Have a look at the NZ XV games if you can, I think he has improved but yes it is not full international test footy. But I wasn't a fan of him at AB10 before and I am changing my mind.
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It's interesting how Telea has leapfrogged Reece in the eyes of some on here. He has played what? Two games. Not sure he has done enough yet. I wonder about his pace.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial So I bought up 8 points in regards to his play - but because I didn't include 1 point you feel should be in there your going to rubbish the entire post.
Delightful...
Touchy.
I didn't rubbish your entire post at all. However I do think some of your points are bit dated.
Running sideways does still happen but not as much as it used to and it isn't away from support it is buying time and looking for a hole. When you are a little fella the last thing you want is to get caught where there isn't support so sometimes you take a step back and dodge until you know someone is ready behind you. 2017, 2018 yep he still used to try to go by himself too much.
As for running too often instead of kicking, I'm not sure where you are coming from on that unless again you are picturing years ago when he had licence to have a crack from the back (often to great effect). At 10 he mixes up his kicking game a lot keeping defences on their toes.From recent games I saw he doesn't have the same acceleration as of old, doesn't run as much, but doesn't crab as much and distributes, kicks, passes, and strategizes better (seems to make quicker and better decisions) than our incumbent 10s (but at a lower level and hasn't had too many physical challenges).
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:
It's interesting how Telea has leapfrogged Reece in the eyes of some on here. He has played what? Two games. Not sure he has done enough yet. I wonder about his pace.
Telea is Solid but not a world beater ,Reece has a lot more X Factor.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:
It's interesting how Telea has leapfrogged Reece in the eyes of some on here. He has played what? Two games. Not sure he has done enough yet. I wonder about his pace.
Telea is Solid but not a world beater ,Reece has a lot more X Factor.
For these reasons I think I prefer Telea against England but not nec. against other teams. And I think Clarke has the potential but not quite the form to stay.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
All Blacks player ratings: High highs and low lows for centres and outside backs
The All Blacks' midfielders and outside backs mixed moments of the sublime with an equal number of moments of despair in 2022.
Full ratings
Hookers:
Dane Coles – 4/10
Samisoni Taukei’aho – 8
Codie Taylor – 5
Asafo Aumua – N/A
Props:
Aidan Ross – N/A
George Bower – 6
Nepo Laulala – 4
Angus Ta’avao – 4
Ofa Tu’ungafasi – 5
Karl Tu’inukuafe – N/A
Tyrel Lomax – 7
Ethan de Groot – 6
Fletcher Newell – 5
Locks:
Scott Barrett – 7
Josh Lord – N/A
Brodie Retallick – 7
Tupou Vaa’i – 5
Sam Whitelock – 7
Josh Dickson – N/A
Patrick Tuipulotu – N/A
Loose forwards:
Sam Cane – 6
Akira Ioane – 6
Dalton Papali’i – 7
Ardie Savea – 8
Hoskins Sotutu – 6
Pita Gus Sowakula – N/A
Shannon Frizell – 6
Billy Harmon – N/A
Halfbacks:
Finlay Christie – 5
Folau Fakatava – 5
Aaron Smith – 6
Brad Weber – N/A
TJ Perenara – 6
First fives:
Beauden Barrett – 5
Richie Mo’unga – 7
Stephen Perofeta – N/A
Midfield:
David Havili – 5
Jack Goodhue – N/A
Rieko Ioane – 7
Roger Tuivasa-Sheck – N/A
Quinn Tupaea – 6
Braydon Ennor – N/A
Anton Lienert-Brown – 5
Outside backs:
Caleb Clarke – 6
Leicester Fainga’anuku – 5
Will Jordan – 6
Sevu Reece – 5
Jordie Barrett – 7
Mark Telea – 8
Apart from Telea rated 8, far too high of 2 tests and Jordie rated as outside back, those numbers look so much more realistic than the shit you normally see.
I particularly like that SMith got one point for each run he mad ethe entire fucking season
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:
It's interesting how Telea has leapfrogged Reece in the eyes of some on here. He has played what? Two games. Not sure he has done enough yet. I wonder about his pace.
Telea is Solid but not a world beater ,Reece has a lot more X Factor.
Reece, despite being a wife beater, is not a world beater either. But he is very busy. I rate him higher than Telea
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@Crazy-Horse I have been a fan of Reece the past couple of seasons, smart player, huge workrate, sure he lacks accuracy on defence and is prone to the odd hollywood, but he's a winger!
I like Telea too, he brings something a bit different, slippery as an eel and makes good post-contact metres and like Reece, seems to punch a bit above thier advertised playing weights, so is good having both as an option...
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
All Blacks player ratings: High highs and low lows for centres and outside backs
The All Blacks' midfielders and outside backs mixed moments of the sublime with an equal number of moments of despair in 2022.
Full ratings
Hookers:
Dane Coles – 4/10
Samisoni Taukei’aho – 8
Codie Taylor – 5
Asafo Aumua – N/A
Props:
Aidan Ross – N/A
George Bower – 6
Nepo Laulala – 4
Angus Ta’avao – 4
Ofa Tu’ungafasi – 5
Karl Tu’inukuafe – N/A
Tyrel Lomax – 7
Ethan de Groot – 6
Fletcher Newell – 5
Locks:
Scott Barrett – 7
Josh Lord – N/A
Brodie Retallick – 7
Tupou Vaa’i – 5
Sam Whitelock – 7
Josh Dickson – N/A
Patrick Tuipulotu – N/A
Loose forwards:
Sam Cane – 6
Akira Ioane – 6
Dalton Papali’i – 7
Ardie Savea – 8
Hoskins Sotutu – 6
Pita Gus Sowakula – N/A
Shannon Frizell – 6
Billy Harmon – N/A
Halfbacks:
Finlay Christie – 5
Folau Fakatava – 5
Aaron Smith – 6
Brad Weber – N/A
TJ Perenara – 6
First fives:
Beauden Barrett – 5
Richie Mo’unga – 7
Stephen Perofeta – N/A
Midfield:
David Havili – 5
Jack Goodhue – N/A
Rieko Ioane – 7
Roger Tuivasa-Sheck – N/A
Quinn Tupaea – 6
Braydon Ennor – N/A
Anton Lienert-Brown – 5
Outside backs:
Caleb Clarke – 6
Leicester Fainga’anuku – 5
Will Jordan – 6
Sevu Reece – 5
Jordie Barrett – 7
Mark Telea – 8
Apart from Telea rated 8, far too high of 2 tests and Jordie rated as outside back, those numbers look so much more realistic than the shit you normally see.
I particularly like that SMith got one point for each run he mad ethe entire fucking season
It is out of 10 right?
Pretty rough on Ardie to say he's 20% short of perfect. Should be a 9 at least and I feel like Whitelock outperformed Retallick (and probably Barrett did too). But other than that and what you noted, probably the best you'll see (because I largely agree).
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
All Blacks player ratings: High highs and low lows for centres and outside backs
The All Blacks' midfielders and outside backs mixed moments of the sublime with an equal number of moments of despair in 2022.
Full ratings
Hookers:
Dane Coles – 4/10
Samisoni Taukei’aho – 8
Codie Taylor – 5
Asafo Aumua – N/A
Props:
Aidan Ross – N/A
George Bower – 6
Nepo Laulala – 4
Angus Ta’avao – 4
Ofa Tu’ungafasi – 5
Karl Tu’inukuafe – N/A
Tyrel Lomax – 7
Ethan de Groot – 6
Fletcher Newell – 5
Locks:
Scott Barrett – 7
Josh Lord – N/A
Brodie Retallick – 7
Tupou Vaa’i – 5
Sam Whitelock – 7
Josh Dickson – N/A
Patrick Tuipulotu – N/A
Loose forwards:
Sam Cane – 6
Akira Ioane – 6
Dalton Papali’i – 7
Ardie Savea – 8
Hoskins Sotutu – 6
Pita Gus Sowakula – N/A
Shannon Frizell – 6
Billy Harmon – N/A
Halfbacks:
Finlay Christie – 5
Folau Fakatava – 5
Aaron Smith – 6
Brad Weber – N/A
TJ Perenara – 6
First fives:
Beauden Barrett – 5
Richie Mo’unga – 7
Stephen Perofeta – N/A
Midfield:
David Havili – 5
Jack Goodhue – N/A
Rieko Ioane – 7
Roger Tuivasa-Sheck – N/A
Quinn Tupaea – 6
Braydon Ennor – N/A
Anton Lienert-Brown – 5
Outside backs:
Caleb Clarke – 6
Leicester Fainga’anuku – 5
Will Jordan – 6
Sevu Reece – 5
Jordie Barrett – 7
Mark Telea – 8
Apart from Telea rated 8, far too high of 2 tests and Jordie rated as outside back, those numbers look so much more realistic than the shit you normally see.
I particularly like that SMith got one point for each run he mad ethe entire fucking season
It is out of 10 right?
Pretty rough on Ardie to say he's 20% short of perfect. Should be a 9 at least and I feel like Whitelock outperformed Retallick (and probably Barrett did too). But other than that and what you noted, probably the best you'll see (because I largely agree).
Yeah I don't agree with it all, as you say SB>SW>BBBR IMO. But not outrageous rubbish numbers you often see
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial So I bought up 8 points in regards to his play - but because I didn't include 1 point you feel should be in there your going to rubbish the entire post.
Delightful...
Touchy.
I didn't rubbish your entire post at all. However I do think some of your points are bit dated.
Running sideways does still happen but not as much as it used to and it isn't away from support it is buying time and looking for a hole. When you are a little fella the last thing you want is to get caught where there isn't support so sometimes you take a step back and dodge until you know someone is ready behind you. 2017, 2018 yep he still used to try to go by himself too much.
As for running too often instead of kicking, I'm not sure where you are coming from on that unless again you are picturing years ago when he had licence to have a crack from the back (often to great effect). At 10 he mixes up his kicking game a lot keeping defences on their toes.From recent games I saw he doesn't have the same acceleration as of old, doesn't run as much, but doesn't crab as much and distributes, kicks, passes, and strategizes better (seems to make quicker and better decisions) than our incumbent 10s (but at a lower level and hasn't had too many physical challenges).
The big difference between DMac and the others is that DMac will run the show, boss the backs. Yes, it can have a downside too when decisions don’t work out but all the best 10s are “generals”. The backs have to react off the 10, and most backs like that, especially instinctive ones.
I never get the feeling that RM or BB have control. They are either shoveling or reacting.As for acceleration that brilliant try to Stevenson against Ireland says DMac still has it. Comes from nowhere to poach the ball, stays around to be the link a second time.
