All Blacks vs Scotland
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Clarke is so bizarre. The defensive mistakes are annoying. But his ability to not beat someone is the oddest thing.
Its like he's forgotten how many guys he's (presumably) run around or over at lower levels. That break after the chip and ALB regather, was classic Clarke. He's full steam until someone gets in his vision, then his stutter step comes out and he loses all pace.
It's one thing to be hungus and have no vision, but he doesn't even have that - he doesn't back his pace, his step, or his power - he just stutter steps into limp contact!
Its really weird.
He just seems panicked in everything to me, it's like someone presses a button before he goes on the field that only allows one word in his head at a time.
"run run run run run step fend shit" fallover
Some guys look like they have time, others look rushed. As flustered as Clarke looked, Telea seemed very composed
Exemplified by the backwards kick-pass from DH. You'd almost expect CC to fall over his feet running back to collect it if he were in the same position.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Clarke seems to be following the Bridge trajectory. Doesn't pin his ears back, lost the ability to beat a man, looks for the contact...
I lump DH in that group. There are moments where is first thought is the offload while there's a massive gap in front of him to exploit first.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Caleb Clarke is 23. Still becoming his best.
He's a wing, not a prop.
He's still got 3 years before he loses it
So, one World Cup.
I'll take that. We'll worry about 2027 in 2024.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Caleb Clarke is 23. Still becoming his best.
He's a wing, not a prop.
He's still got 3 years before he loses it
So, one World Cup.
With his play since 7s, he's not good enough for this RWC, let alone the next!
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
By the way, not sure it has been mentioned, I quite liked Codie Taylor leading the All Blacks haka. First time, wasn't it?
I feel sure I've seen it before, I guess when there's no Smith/Perenara. Wouldn't bet my coloured boots on it though.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
By the way, not sure it has been mentioned, I quite liked Codie Taylor leading the All Blacks haka. First time, wasn't it?
I feel sure I've seen it before, I guess when there's no Smith/Perenara. Wouldn't bet my coloured boots on it though.
Commentators mentioned it was his first time, am pretty sure.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones i think he drifted too wide, if the outside defender keeps holding off the tackle then he should have straightened and forced the wide man to commit. if he doesn't then he had a chance to break the line...if he does you can make the pass to BB in space....holding and drifting caused the problems
I don't disagree. But he was in a good position to pass/offload to BB. The gap was wiiiide, if he accelerated just a touch he gets around the defender. What I'm saying is he couldn't have done 3 or 4 different things to put BB away yet executed so poorly and as you say, went for a stroll after.
DH isn't a threat in the midfield, might not just be lacking a tad in relative size power and acceleration, I feel he lost confidence after being steamrolled so often at 12 in earlier games. Making him play crash ball was the wrong tactic IMO.
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@nostrildamus yeah, reminds me of when they tried using crash ball from the blind side with bridge....its like their tactical decisions are not actually related to let alone based on the actual players they select
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@nostrildamus yeah, reminds me of when they tried using crash ball from the blind side with bridge....its like their tactical decisions are not actually related to let alone based on the actual players they select
From what I read Bridge was still recovering from an injury so he didn't have many options (although I think he has a kicking game?) It does beg the question if he was not at 100% why was he picked? Maybe the talent pool is not that deep? But seems to me there are still plenty of wingers in NZ, maybe just not many high-performing reliable ones?
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@nostrildamus i would also question if a more physical game plan is a good move for anyone recovering from injuring
its pretty clear that fozzie puts a lot of weight behind experience, so an underperforming bridge had a leg up on others coming through just because he's been there
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@Kiwiwomble the irony is, when Laumape was available, he was rarely used, yet often the player selected to play 12, was used the way Laumape was suited to playing (going forward)
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@nostrildamus i would also question if a more physical game plan is a good move for anyone recovering from injuring
its pretty clear that fozzie puts a lot of weight behind experience, so an underperforming bridge had a leg up on others coming through just because he's been there
Agreed to both your points.
At least on the loyal to experience factor Foster seems very consistent ('class is permanent'). I'm just not convinced it has had a great payoff. -
@nostrildamus yeah, sometimes i think people mistake a purple patch of form for outright class, the former can disappear without warning and i think far fewer people actually have the latter than we might hope
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Kiwiwomble the irony is, when Laumape was available, he was rarely used, yet often the player selected to play 12, was used the way Laumape was suited to playing (going forward)
maybe they think using players in unexpected ways will keep other teams guessing
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Clarke seems to be following the Bridge trajectory. Doesn't pin his ears back, lost the ability to beat a man, looks for the contact...
Looks like he goes into contact too fast At times and ends up all off balance when contact happens, like he hasn’t learnt to time the bump and hold his feet
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Clarke seems to be following the Bridge trajectory. Doesn't pin his ears back, lost the ability to beat a man, looks for the contact...
Looks like he goes into contact too fast At times and ends up all off balance when contact happens, like he hasn’t learnt to time the bump and hold his feet
lack of balance seems to be a recurring factor, doesn't it? I'm guessing he has a lower leg muscle imbalance or tear.
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So I finally got to watch the game today.
I won't rehash any of the topics already discussed, other than to say that Scotland are a great team to watch! They just play the right way - forwards smashing into everything, skilled back play. Nothing cynical, just quality rugby. They also kept the ABs scoreless for 54 minutes, that's bloody awesome.
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A few more random things that may or may not have been discussed:
This was the best ABs fending game in a long time! Telea with 2 goodies, and the get-off-me from JB in the final minutes was awesome.
Hogg is a tricky fucker to tackle.
Back on JB, that was some conversion to get it to an 8 point lead.
And Ardie, good god - the man may not have a defined position, but jesus does he have a motor. In the 80th minute he still looks like a super-sub who's been on for 5 minutes.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@nostrildamus yeah, reminds me of when they tried using crash ball from the blind side with bridge....its like their tactical decisions are not actually related to let alone based on the actual players they select
One crash ball by DH was spectacularly ineffective!
