T20 World Cup NZ v PAK
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@KiwiMurph said in T20 World Cup NZ v PAK:
@No-Quarter said in T20 World Cup NZ v PAK:
If Conway takes that (pretty regulation) catch at the start
Low and a full dive going against his weight - no way that was pretty regulation.
Not for a part time keeper I guess. But an actual keeper should take that pretty much every time, in fact I'd expect them to get two hands to it. Conway made that look hard, I've taken plenty of low catches to my right and I'm nowhere near professional level, they aren't that difficult with gloves on.
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@voodoo said in T20 World Cup NZ v PAK:
@No-Quarter said in T20 World Cup NZ v PAK:
@voodoo said in T20 World Cup NZ v PAK:
@ARHS said in T20 World Cup NZ v PAK:
Yeow. But for the dropped catches we would have been well in it. Was closer than I expected and some near misses with 3 or 4 overs remaining.
Really??!!!!
I reckon that's utter BS mate
We got well and truly smacked
So Pakistan's batting lineup is extremely flaky. Basically, they all suck except for Babar and Rizwan. If Conway takes that (pretty regulation) catch at the start then Pakistan are in trouble with the chase. So I agree with the statement that but for dropped catches we would have been well in it. Gutted that we decided to have our worst fielding performance in a long time in a WC semi final.
We dropped 1 catch early, and 1 late that didn't matter?
For me, we lost it with the bat. Left 15-20 runs out there and that set the tone
The death batting was disappointing but I thought we still had a score to defend. But we needed to come out buzzing in the field and bowling to a field. We looked flat and pie after pie, the game was being taken away from us.
I expected better from us in the second innings
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@ACT-Crusader agree completely. Pakistan's strength is their bowling and we managed to put a score on them, and then didn't fire a single shot in the field against a pretty average batting lineup. The 2nd innings was by far the most disappointing.
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Had to get up early so decided on an early night instead of watching ,
Glad I didn’t bother sitting up
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@ACT-Crusader said in T20 World Cup NZ v PAK:
@voodoo said in T20 World Cup NZ v PAK:
@No-Quarter said in T20 World Cup NZ v PAK:
@voodoo said in T20 World Cup NZ v PAK:
@ARHS said in T20 World Cup NZ v PAK:
Yeow. But for the dropped catches we would have been well in it. Was closer than I expected and some near misses with 3 or 4 overs remaining.
Really??!!!!
I reckon that's utter BS mate
We got well and truly smacked
So Pakistan's batting lineup is extremely flaky. Basically, they all suck except for Babar and Rizwan. If Conway takes that (pretty regulation) catch at the start then Pakistan are in trouble with the chase. So I agree with the statement that but for dropped catches we would have been well in it. Gutted that we decided to have our worst fielding performance in a long time in a WC semi final.
We dropped 1 catch early, and 1 late that didn't matter?
For me, we lost it with the bat. Left 15-20 runs out there and that set the tone
The death batting was disappointing but I thought we still had a score to defend. But we needed to come out buzzing in the field and bowling to a field. We looked flat and pie after pie, the game was being taken away from us.
I expected better from us in the second innings
I actually think that the batting in the power play was more disappointing. We weren't getting enough boundaries which resulted in risky running and Conway getting run out. Neesham and Mitchel both had acceptable strike rates, Williamson and Conway did not. I really don't think both those batters should be on the top 3.
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@ACT-Crusader said in T20 World Cup NZ v PAK:
When you have an under par score in a do or die match, you have to mix it up with the bowling with playing one of your slower bowlers early.
Once again Sodhi and SatNav go for less than the required RR (6.5 rpo) and our 3 quicks get tapped around for 8+, 7.5 and 9+
Just doesn’t make any sense.
Not making any sense is the worst part of last night. Our strategic thinking is strange. How is it that when a team bowling first has shown the way to frustrate the bats we go and do something different.
Slow, slow Yorkers and wide of the crease. Make the bats have to create their shots and they will get it wrong after a while.
Boult and Southee are fine bowlers but not in these conditions. Where were the part timers with some dibbly stuff?
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@Crucial said in T20 World Cup NZ v PAK:
@ACT-Crusader said in T20 World Cup NZ v PAK:
When you have an under par score in a do or die match, you have to mix it up with the bowling with playing one of your slower bowlers early.
Once again Sodhi and SatNav go for less than the required RR (6.5 rpo) and our 3 quicks get tapped around for 8+, 7.5 and 9+
Just doesn’t make any sense.
Not making any sense is the worst part of last night. Our strategic thinking is strange. How is it that when a team bowling first has shown the way to frustrate the bats we go and do something different.
Slow, slow Yorkers and wide of the crease. Make the bats have to create their shots and they will get it wrong after a while.
Boult and Southee are fine bowlers but not in these conditions. Where were the part timers with some dibbly stuff?
Kane seems to have one plan and is lost when it doesn’t work.I don't think anyone was really suggesting dropping Kane was an option, but I do think potentially changing captains is (in multiple formats). The guy is an elite player but I am not convinced on strategy.
To be fair he was also let down by execution of other players last night too, so not lumping it on him, but I think the above is a valid conversation at least.
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@Bovidae said in T20 World Cup NZ v PAK:
I'd like to see a change of coach too, at least in the white ball formats.
Agreed.
@Bovidae said in T20 World Cup NZ v PAK:
I am happy that I bailed on this early.
I am unhappy that I did not bail on the game early... coffee has only gone so far today
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I agree with the sentiment that Kane was let down by the bowlers last night.
Pak barely gave us any freebies, and when they did, we often missed out. I actually though considering our total was not too bad.
However, we bowled plenty of 4 balls. Can't build any scoreboard pressure when you're that loose.
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@bayimports said in T20 World Cup NZ v PAK:
@Crucial said in T20 World Cup NZ v PAK:
@ACT-Crusader said in T20 World Cup NZ v PAK:
When you have an under par score in a do or die match, you have to mix it up with the bowling with playing one of your slower bowlers early.
Once again Sodhi and SatNav go for less than the required RR (6.5 rpo) and our 3 quicks get tapped around for 8+, 7.5 and 9+
Just doesn’t make any sense.
Not making any sense is the worst part of last night. Our strategic thinking is strange. How is it that when a team bowling first has shown the way to frustrate the bats we go and do something different.
Slow, slow Yorkers and wide of the crease. Make the bats have to create their shots and they will get it wrong after a while.
Boult and Southee are fine bowlers but not in these conditions. Where were the part timers with some dibbly stuff?
Kane seems to have one plan and is lost when it doesn’t work.I don't think anyone was really suggesting dropping Kane was an option, but I do think potentially changing captains is (in multiple formats). The guy is an elite player but I am not convinced on strategy.
To be fair he was also let down by execution of other players last night too, so not lumping it on him, but I think the above is a valid conversation at least.
I'm not throwing everything on him but once Southee and Boult looked like doing nothing they should have been pulled. Kane was out there long enough himself to understand how hard batting was with slow balls. Once the boundaries started to flow it was only wickets that could be searched for. If those PP overs had gone for say 45 the pressure would be on Pakistan to swing against balls not there to swing against.
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sounds like we really missed Nath and Harry and Gav
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@mariner4life said in T20 World Cup NZ v PAK:
sounds like we really missed Nath and Harry and Gav
And BMac making the bowling changes.
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@mariner4life said in T20 World Cup NZ v PAK:
sounds like we really missed Nath and Harry and Gav
We had Neesh and 'Son of'
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Not sure I agree with the assessment that the pitch suited the slow bowlers, we took their spinner for plenty. The biggest difference in the match was their seamers vs ours, and more specifically our best seamer Boult having a shocker while their best seamer Afridi bowled superbly.
That said, Kane should have brought Santner on sooner once the Pakistan openers got going against the pace. You have to change things up quickly in T20s or the game gets away from you. Not sure Kane / Stead combo is that well suited to the format.
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Really a poor power play by NZ,with the pitch slowing up that was the time to hit boundaries with the field up.
Poor field settings when Pakistan were chasing to easy to find gaps no pressure applied.
A ridgid bowling plan which made it easy for Pakistain to plan their run chase.
And really a bad bowling effort lost length badly and not enough off pace deliveries no knuckle balls, virtually nothing out of the back of the hand.
Shit performance all round with no vision to change things up.
