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    @Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:

    @Victor-Meldrew said in The Current State of Rugby:

    Generally agree with much on this thread and agree there's a fair bit wrong which needs to be fixed, but here's a positive thought:

    There were 65,000 mainly Japanese supporters to watch the Japan-AB game yesterday providing an atmosphere which was uniquely polite while still being passionate. The All Blacks didn't play well, but that was a pretty damn good game to watch with plenty of skills and tense rugby on display and a great advert for the game.

    I think that's more because it was the AB's in town to be fair. And the Japanese folk have a few quid, and are still in the post RWC coital glow.

    At the end of the day it's essentially still a team with a couple of poaches who are admittedly doing better than we all imagined.

    Gerhard Van der Heever on the bench. For crying out loud. How sterile. How fake. What has the game become. Do the ends just justify the means for everyone now?

    😁 😁

    Thank god for the Scots and homegrown talent from the Tuipulotu and Van der Merwe clans. Other teams should be ashamed of all their poaching

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    @Crucial well it clearly isnt that simple when you get different refs ruling it differently...therefore my reasoning for taking them needing to interpret what they saw from the equation.

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    @mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:

    It's a scrum

    We need that guy

    I'm on the lineout spot. But if you move me it will injure me further

    No chance a ref can police

    I think the solution is to remove the ability to game the referee. Prop or lock is suddenly injured during a break in play so can't compete at the set piece? Either replace him or free kick awarded to the opposition. You've magically chosen this spot to complain about a niggle? Free kick to the opposition.

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    @taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:

    @Crucial well it clearly isnt that simple when you get different refs ruling it differently...therefore my reasoning for taking them needing to interpret what they saw from the equation.

    We are probably arguing semantics but to me the law is very simple. It just isn't applied in a simple manner.

    "A player must not intentionally knock the ball forward with hand or arm. Sanction: Penalty.
    It is not an intentional knock-on if, in the act of trying to catch the ball, the player knocks on provided that there was a reasonable expectation that the player could gain possession."

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    replied to Crucial on last edited by Kiwiwomble
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    @Crucial my issue with that is the use of "intentional" and "reasonable"...both are subjective

    personally i think laws should be black and white, regather?...all good...dont?...i would just have a scrum as the knock on rule but i know others think it should be punished with a penalty

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    The simple issue is no one will ever be happy with the rule however you amend and apply it. Thought he could get the intercept and hence think a penalty is ridiculous for a failed catch, versus clearly deliberate act preventing a certain try only results in a free kick...

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    I know we can get frustrated with laws that are not seemingly black and white and the way they are interpreted, but personally I actually find it one of the things I have always loved about game, ball knocked on, play advantage, same as penalty etc. I don't get too upset if different refs have a bit different ways of looking at it, as long as they consistent during the game as they ref it.
    I understand where some find it frustrating, but I prefer a fluid game, and not too quick to blow whistle at every little thing.

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    @mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:

    It's a scrum

    We need that guy

    I'm on the lineout spot. But if you move me it will injure me further

    No chance a ref can police

    If he's not available scrum is a free kick to opposition, second time it happens penalty

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    @Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:

    @MiketheSnow said in The Current State of Rugby:

    @Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:

    @ARHS said in The Current State of Rugby:

    @Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:

    Gerhard Van der Heever on the bench. For crying out loud. How sterile. How fake. What has the game become. Do the ends just justify the means for everyone now?

    Yeah he has only lived in Japan for six years. What gives there?

    Couldn't give a fiddlers how long he lived there. I live in Spain. Im not fucking Spanish.

    But you’re an amateur Spaniard

    Id be their starting 10 judging by the standard.

    “It’s always been my dream to play for Spain”

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    @ACT-Crusader said in The Current State of Rugby:

    @Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:

    @MiketheSnow said in The Current State of Rugby:

    @Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:

    @ARHS said in The Current State of Rugby:

    @Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:

    Gerhard Van der Heever on the bench. For crying out loud. How sterile. How fake. What has the game become. Do the ends just justify the means for everyone now?

    Yeah he has only lived in Japan for six years. What gives there?

    Couldn't give a fiddlers how long he lived there. I live in Spain. Im not fucking Spanish.

    But you’re an amateur Spaniard

    Id be their starting 10 judging by the standard.

    “It’s always been my dream to play for Spain”

    "Soy tan español como las tapas y el rioja"

    Slightly OT, but couldn't help thinking of Brad Shields and @Steve....

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    Could simplify the intercept thing even more and make any deflection of a pass by opposition totally fine, regardless of intent. Want to avoid deliberate knock downs etc? Throw better passes the opposition can't reach. Same as basketball/netball.

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    @TeWaio I watch a lot of NRL. An overlap gets blown by the defender slapping the ball? Everyone shrugs and moves on. It's a dumb ass interpretation brought about because scoring in rugby is hard enough apparently. And rugby players are shithouse at basics like draw and pass.

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  • Victor MeldrewV Online
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    @antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:

    The simple issue is no one will ever be happy with the rule however you amend and apply it

    Yep. It can't be fixed 100% but I think it can be improved and be made more consistent because at the moment it's a bit of a lottery.

    We have a protocol/flowchart for dangerous play, so perhaps something similar might help? Hand on top of ball is deliberate = card, Hand on bottom or end of ball and no upward movement = penalty, Hand on bottom of ball and ball goes up = knock-on.

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    @Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:

    I was upended like that many times in my playing days

    This does help clarify things.

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    @mariner4life 6 again is massive in league though.

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    @TeWaio said in The Current State of Rugby:

    Could simplify the intercept thing even more and make any deflection of a pass by opposition totally fine, regardless of intent. Want to avoid deliberate knock downs etc? Throw better passes the opposition can't reach. Same as basketball/netball.

    Yep TW the trouble is in Netball and basketball it not illegal to throw the ball forward, don't forget it meant to be a penalty if you throw ball forward in rugby, the whole tenet of rugby is that the ball has to be passed backwards.

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  • TimT Away
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    School Rugby, Sport, Rugby

    Reduced tackle height revealed for 1st XV rugby and club rugby - NZ Herald

    Reduced tackle height revealed for 1st XV rugby and club rugby - NZ Herald

    The changes include a significant reduction in tackle height to below the sternum.

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  • antipodeanA Online
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    @Tim given all the things refs get wrong, they're now asked to determine where the sternum is. whoever came up with this idea is a retard.

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    @antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:

    @Tim given all the things refs get wrong, they're now asked to determine where the sternum is. whoever came up with this idea is a retard.

    Hits to the chest and above are pretty easy to spot from looking at the tackled player reactions.

    It certainly is a strange way to mitigate problems though. By preparing players in an environment of a completely different nature to the top levels.
    IMO this will cement the early identification and separation of players into categories to play two very different games.
    Will be even more obvious in the womens game where top players still play club.

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    While I get the intent of what they're trying to do, I imagine it won't help the cause of recruiting more referees...

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