Foster, Robertson etc
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Fern Logic
Judging by what is written on the Fern, a lot of guys think Surf Jesus wins SR titles with a lot of shit average players. They "magically" look good because they play for the Crusaders apparently but are shit compared to "insert your own team's member here". However, according to some, Surf Jesus's "magical abilities" will somehow disappear at the international level. -
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster:
Fern Logic
Judging by what is written on the Fern, a lot of guys think Surf Jesus wins SR titles with a lot of shit average players. They "magically" look good because they play for the Crusaders apparently but are shit compared to "insert your own team's member here". However, according to some, Surf Jesus's "magical abilities" will somehow disappear at the international level.Ah, that has been negated. Surf Jesus wins Super Titles with players that are good at Super Rugby but are shit at Test rugby. And the refs favour the Saders too.
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Or, alternatively, surf jesus wins titles playing ourselves and the Australians.
I think surf jesus is a good coach. I'm just so very bored of the hypothetical that he comes in and it's 2015 all over again being treated as fact.
And the simple fact is, Ian Foster is taking us to the world cup so all the rest is just boring conjecture.
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@mariner4life said in Foster:
Or, alternatively, surf jesus wins titles playing ourselves and the Australians.
I think surf jesus is a good coach. I'm just so very bored of the hypothetical that he comes in and it's 2015 all over again being treated as fact.
And the simple fact is, Ian Foster is taking us to the world cup so all the rest is just boring conjecture.
Are people saying it will 2015 all over again? I think Razor's name keeps popping up because the way things are at the moment he is probably the best available alternative to Foster. And an alternative to Foster is on a lot of wish lists.
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@Crazy-Horse ah yeah, they are
The coach isn't changing guys, get over it. You'll sleep better
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@Chester-Draws said in Foster:
There's only two ways you become AB coach.
- You have a record of sustained winning at the highest level and bring in some new ideas. There is inevitably high expectations for what you will achieve. You will have some passionate cheer-leaders, and some detractors.
Didn't apply to Hansen either. But he was one of our most remarkable coaches - kept the Henry era going for another cycle.
He coached Wales with some distinction didn't he?
Hansen at least won a couple of NPCs.
Foster's literally never won any championship until the TRC -- which has only one competitive opponent in it.
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@mariner4life said in Foster:
@Crazy-Horse ah yeah, they are
The coach isn't changing guys, get over it. You'll sleep better
I don't recall anyone saying that it was a fact that if Razor took over the ABs we will win the world cup. But my memory ain't the best.
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@taniwharugby said in Foster:
Scott Robertson: I'm here and ready for the All Blacks job
The Crusaders coach said the decision rests in NZR's hands but he intends to be coaching on the international stage soon regardless.
Haha. Slow news day aye.
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There's no point mucking about. Appoint Razor after the final whistle blows at RWC 2023. Don't leave us hanging. Do it now.
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@BerniesCorner said in Foster:
There's no point mucking about. Appoint Razor after the final whistle blows at RWC 2023. Don't leave us hanging. Do it now.
NZR are pathetic and have done so much damage over last few years.The team seemed unprepared and lacked direction. Again. That's the Foster legacy. No wonder nobody is afraid of the ABs anymore. Used to be they had a plan and dared other teams to beat it. It's not down to different personnel, it is the coaching staff's inability to scheme for the players they have selected. Uninspiring all around.
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I hope they keep Foster as coach until 2030 its so amusing watching people try to defend him.
It's not people defending Foster. It's people not believing the hype that a coach who's undoubtedly good at SR level but with minimal and patchy experience at international level - and zero experience at Test level - is the magic solution to restore the AB's to the glory days, that NZR knows he will do this but there is some secret illuminati plot within NZR to prevent it happening.
So you end up with stupid arguments that Foster should be sacked as he lost to a team we've never lost to before, but a different criteria should apply to Robertson as he needs time to settle into the role due to inexperience at Test level.
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@BerniesCorner said in Foster:
There's no point mucking about. Appoint Razor after the final whistle blows at RWC 2023. Don't leave us hanging. Do it now.
NZR are pathetic and have done so much damage over last few years.Why appoint Robertson, shouldn't they see who else is available, and then appoint whoever is considered best for job, if it's Robertson , it would be him, but don't discount Joseph , Schmidt, Pivac etc etc until we knpw who is available and then see who has best skills etc to do job.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
I hope they keep Foster as coach until 2030 its so amusing watching people try to defend him.
It's not people defending Foster. It's people not believing the hype that a coach who's undoubtedly good at SR level but with minimal and patchy experience at international level - and zero experience at Test level - is the magic solution to restore the AB's to the glory days, that NZR knows he will do this but there is some secret illuminati plot within NZR to prevent it happening.
So you end up with stupid arguments that Foster should be sacked as he lost to a team we've never lost to before, but a different criteria should apply to Robertson as he needs time to settle into the role due to inexperience at Test level.
I hope they keep Foster it only reinforces how bad he is every test.
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@ploughboy said in Foster:
@chchfanatic said in Foster:
@Number-10 love for razors side to come out. It will one day. First he has world cups to win. Wether it’s with the all blacks or England.
Why is NZR putting so much weight on Schmidt’s opinion. What has he ever won. If anyone listened to razors interview on Senz the other morning , then they’ll agree he’s the man for the job.I hope for our sake NRU have told him the job is his post RWC23.
joesph /brown/mitchel sounds good
I never ever want Mitchell anywhere near the ABs ever again.
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@Chester-Draws said in Foster:
@Chester-Draws said in Foster:
There's only two ways you become AB coach.
- You have a record of sustained winning at the highest level and bring in some new ideas. There is inevitably high expectations for what you will achieve. You will have some passionate cheer-leaders, and some detractors.
Didn't apply to Hansen either. But he was one of our most remarkable coaches - kept the Henry era going for another cycle.
He coached Wales with some distinction didn't he?
Hansen at least won a couple of NPCs.
Foster's literally never won any championship until the TRC -- which has only one competitive opponent in it.
So Foster has only won an international series, more than once, and has only one competitive oponent? You mean SA who has been beaten by Japan, or Australia , or Argentina.
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I can understand Cane being involved. And maybe Ardie as who knows the way Robertson would go. He might have found himself as a reserve
And Smith is at the end of his career and would prefer what he knows. But why Whitelock?
Maybe, just maybe they were saying what they thought, and were being honest?
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@Billy-Tell said in Foster:
@ploughboy said in Foster:
@chchfanatic said in Foster:
@Number-10 love for razors side to come out. It will one day. First he has world cups to win. Wether it’s with the all blacks or England.
Why is NZR putting so much weight on Schmidt’s opinion. What has he ever won. If anyone listened to razors interview on Senz the other morning , then they’ll agree he’s the man for the job.I hope for our sake NRU have told him the job is his post RWC23.
joesph /brown/mitchel sounds good
I never ever want Mitchell anywhere near the ABs ever again.
So Billy, I guess you going to have to stand for NZR board position so your want can be taken into consideration?
There be a lot of us on here probably need to do same thing, if only they will make space for us?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
I hope they keep Foster as coach until 2030 its so amusing watching people try to defend him.
It's not people defending Foster. It's people not believing the hype that a coach who's undoubtedly good at SR level but with minimal and patchy experience at international level - and zero experience at Test level - is the magic solution to restore the AB's to the glory days, that NZR knows he will do this but there is some secret illuminati plot within NZR to prevent it happening.
So you end up with stupid arguments that Foster should be sacked as he lost to a team we've never lost to before, but a different criteria should apply to Robertson as he needs time to settle into the role due to inexperience at Test level.
International experience has nothing to do with coaching ability, you've either got 'it' or you don't.
It's a skill that is innate & in-built for guys such as Jones, Razor, Galthie, Erasmus, etc..
Foster just doesn't have 'it', the evidence is... he has achieved underwhelming results in every head coaching role across his 20 year coaching career with Waikato, Chiefs, & now the All Blacks...
Kirwan was the head coach of Italy & Japan, he was a poor Blues coach, after coaching Wales for 12 years Gatland lost 8/8 of his Chiefs matches, their worst losing streak ever. Experience is irrelevant in many cases.
