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    replied to Machpants on last edited by
    #3718

    @Machpants said in 2022 All Blacks NH tour:

    Gawd he's an unispiring speaker

    He's full of cliches - learnings, excitement blah blah blah

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    wrote on last edited by kiwi_expat
    #3719

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300712464/the-ian-foster-enigma-has-the-indignant-all-blacks-coach-answered-his-critics

    The fact that the improvements listed ('moved the performance needle big-time in the pack'; 'added some much-needed variation in attack'; the others mentioned have all flowed from those two) happened after Ryan and Schmidt were given roles in the ABs' coaching team speaks volumes.

    The front row changes were injury-enforced, as Foster's original picks dropped out and had to be replaced by players who proved to be much better. Barrett at second-five was also injury-enforced, after Foster said he wasn't being looked at in that position.

    In other words, Foster has been shown up as a poor coach and selector reliant on injury, not insight, to force clearly-needed changes, and reliant too on the competent coaches NZR added to the group when those chosen by Foster turned out, like him, to be not up to the job.

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    replied to kiwi_expat on last edited by Frank
    #3720

    Rancid's analogy of a kid's rugby team having more skilled parents coming in to assist the well-liked but rather clueless original parent (who the kids don't want fired because they like him) is on point.

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    Asterik6 Banned
    replied to taniwharugby on last edited by Asterik6
    #3721

    @taniwharugby said in Foster:

    it would be odd (very stubborn) if he doesnt give JB more time on tour at 12 to at least see if he can build on his last outing.

    Barrett 12, Jordan 15, Reece back at 14. Sevu is the best winger in the squad. Foster needs to play him - if he heads overseas... I'll be absolutely livered about it.

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  • boobooB Offline
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    booboo
    replied to Asterik6 on last edited by
    #3722

    @Asterik6 said in Foster:

    livered

    Driven you to drink huh? That works.

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  • Victor MeldrewV Offline
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    replied to kiwi_expat on last edited by Victor Meldrew
    #3723

    @kiwi_expat said in Foster:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300712464/the-ian-foster-enigma-has-the-indignant-all-blacks-coach-answered-his-critics

    The fact that the improvements listed ('moved the performance needle big-time in the pack'; 'added some much-needed variation in attack'; the others mentioned have all flowed from those two) happened after Ryan and Schmidt were given roles in the ABs' coaching team speaks volumes.

    Glad you think things have improved under Foster. Long, long way to go, but I agree there are some promising signs.

    . Barrett at second-five was also injury-enforced, after Foster said he wasn't being looked at in that position.

    Foster preferring to play a pretty much world-class full-back at full-back? That's hardly an indicator of a poor selection mindset.

    In other words, Foster has been shown up as a poor coach and selector reliant on injury, not insight, to force clearly-needed changes, and reliant too on the competent coaches NZR added to the group

    Putting aside your inaccuracy that Schmidt was forced on Foster (he had been wanting Schmidt as an Assistant for 2 years), I'm puzzled by your argument that Foster is a poor Head Coach because he relies on his chosen assistants to do a good job.

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    Machpants
    wrote on last edited by
    #3724

    Apparently, the reasons that fucking foster stayed were:

    1. Razor's 'in principle' team lacked international experience, so NZR wanted Schmidt in on it. He met Razor (as ordered by NZR), and then said 'no' - not due to not wanting to work with Razor, but because he thought it was pretty shitty for him to be talking to a potential replacement whilst working for Foster. Loyalty said he would stay.
    2. Great result SA 2
    3. Senior players loving getting picked no matter what and publicly backing him

    Overall what a cluster, who the fuck is in charge? Not NZR, Robinson, or the Board!

    Paywalled

    Rugby, Sport

    Exclusive: The dramatic real reasons Ian Foster wasn't axed as All Blacks coach

    Exclusive: The dramatic real reasons Ian Foster wasn't axed as All Blacks coach

    The real story from the turbulent moments when the All Blacks role was at stake.

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  • ChrisC Offline
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    replied to Machpants on last edited by
    #3725

    @Machpants said in Foster:

    Apparently, the reasons that fucking foster stayed were:

    1. Razor's 'in principle' team lacked international experience, so NZR wanted Schmidt in on it. He met Razor (as ordered by NZR), and then said 'no' - not due to not wanting to work with Razor, but because he thought it was pretty shitty for him to be talking to a potential replacement whilst working for Foster. Loyalty said he would stay.
    2. Great result SA 2
    3. Senior players loving getting picked no matter what and publicly backing him

    Overall what a cluster, who the fuck is in charge? Not NZR, Robinson, or the Board!

    Paywalled

    Rugby, Sport

    Exclusive: The dramatic real reasons Ian Foster wasn't axed as All Blacks coach

    Exclusive: The dramatic real reasons Ian Foster wasn't axed as All Blacks coach

    The real story from the turbulent moments when the All Blacks role was at stake.

    What complete fuck feast,Not hard to see who is in charge and its not the board.

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    ploughboy
    replied to Chris on last edited by
    #3726

    @Chris said in Foster:

    @Machpants said in Foster:

    Apparently, the reasons that fucking foster stayed were:

    1. Razor's 'in principle' team lacked international experience, so NZR wanted Schmidt in on it. He met Razor (as ordered by NZR), and then said 'no' - not due to not wanting to work with Razor, but because he thought it was pretty shitty for him to be talking to a potential replacement whilst working for Foster. Loyalty said he would stay.
    2. Great result SA 2
    3. Senior players loving getting picked no matter what and publicly backing him

    Overall what a cluster, who the fuck is in charge? Not NZR, Robinson, or the Board!

    Paywalled

    Rugby, Sport

    Exclusive: The dramatic real reasons Ian Foster wasn't axed as All Blacks coach

    Exclusive: The dramatic real reasons Ian Foster wasn't axed as All Blacks coach

    The real story from the turbulent moments when the All Blacks role was at stake.

    What complete fuck feast,Not hard to see who is in charge and its not the board.

    i though you would know all this

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  • Dan54D Offline
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    Dan54
    replied to Chris on last edited by
    #3727

    @Chris said in Foster:

    @Machpants said in Foster:

    Apparently, the reasons that fucking foster stayed were:

    1. Razor's 'in principle' team lacked international experience, so NZR wanted Schmidt in on it. He met Razor (as ordered by NZR), and then said 'no' - not due to not wanting to work with Razor, but because he thought it was pretty shitty for him to be talking to a potential replacement whilst working for Foster. Loyalty said he would stay.
    2. Great result SA 2
    3. Senior players loving getting picked no matter what and publicly backing him

    Overall what a cluster, who the fuck is in charge? Not NZR, Robinson, or the Board!

    Paywalled

    Rugby, Sport

    Exclusive: The dramatic real reasons Ian Foster wasn't axed as All Blacks coach

    Exclusive: The dramatic real reasons Ian Foster wasn't axed as All Blacks coach

    The real story from the turbulent moments when the All Blacks role was at stake.

    What complete fuck feast,Not hard to see who is in charge and its not the board.

    What's wrong, this is NZ Hurld write up, so if you take it as accurate (there is a first time for those pricks) I see nothing exciting, basically what do they say that nobody knows (or more likely thought they knew) unless it was the fact that Schmidt didn't want to work with Razor (same as Tony Brown). Nothing very exciting in it.

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    Asterik6 Banned
    wrote on last edited by Asterik6
    #3728

    "Robertson’s ‘in principle’ team was deemed to lack heavyweight international experience."

    Scott Hansen was Japan's defence coach in 2018 and 2019 World Cup.

    Jason Ryan was Fiji's forwards coach for the last 2 years.

    Jason Holland was Munster's attack coach for 4 seasons (2008-2012).

    Scott Robertson, Leon McDonald & Jason Ryan were NZ U20's assistant coaches under Boyd - in 2013 and 2014.

    Razor then became head coach for 2015 and 2016 - while Jason Ryan and McDonald remained on the coaching staff.

    So that's another 4 seasons of 'international experience' with NZ U20's at Junior World Championships.

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  • ChrisC Offline
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    Chris
    replied to ploughboy on last edited by
    #3729

    @ploughboy said in Foster:

    @Chris said in Foster:

    @Machpants said in Foster:

    Apparently, the reasons that fucking foster stayed were:

    1. Razor's 'in principle' team lacked international experience, so NZR wanted Schmidt in on it. He met Razor (as ordered by NZR), and then said 'no' - not due to not wanting to work with Razor, but because he thought it was pretty shitty for him to be talking to a potential replacement whilst working for Foster. Loyalty said he would stay.
    2. Great result SA 2
    3. Senior players loving getting picked no matter what and publicly backing him

    Overall what a cluster, who the fuck is in charge? Not NZR, Robinson, or the Board!

    Paywalled

    Rugby, Sport

    Exclusive: The dramatic real reasons Ian Foster wasn't axed as All Blacks coach

    Exclusive: The dramatic real reasons Ian Foster wasn't axed as All Blacks coach

    The real story from the turbulent moments when the All Blacks role was at stake.

    What complete fuck feast,Not hard to see who is in charge and its not the board.

    i though you would know all this

    I do, just commenting on the retarded fucks

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  • ChrisC Offline
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    Chris
    replied to Dan54 on last edited by Chris
    #3730

    @Dan54 said in Foster:

    @Chris said in Foster:

    @Machpants said in Foster:

    Apparently, the reasons that fucking foster stayed were:

    1. Razor's 'in principle' team lacked international experience, so NZR wanted Schmidt in on it. He met Razor (as ordered by NZR), and then said 'no' - not due to not wanting to work with Razor, but because he thought it was pretty shitty for him to be talking to a potential replacement whilst working for Foster. Loyalty said he would stay.
    2. Great result SA 2
    3. Senior players loving getting picked no matter what and publicly backing him

    Overall what a cluster, who the fuck is in charge? Not NZR, Robinson, or the Board!

    Paywalled

    Rugby, Sport

    Exclusive: The dramatic real reasons Ian Foster wasn't axed as All Blacks coach

    Exclusive: The dramatic real reasons Ian Foster wasn't axed as All Blacks coach

    The real story from the turbulent moments when the All Blacks role was at stake.

    What complete fuck feast,Not hard to see who is in charge and its not the board.

    What's wrong, this is NZ Hurld write up, so if you take it as accurate (there is a first time for those pricks) I see nothing exciting, basically what do they say that nobody knows (or more likely thought they knew) unless it was the fact that Schmidt didn't want to work with Razor (same as Tony Brown). Nothing very exciting in it.

    if you can't see what's wrong then no point explaining it to you.

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  • KiwiMurphK Offline
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    KiwiMurph
    wrote on last edited by
    #3731

    They were never going to can Foster after the Ellis Park win. That saved his job.

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    ploughboy
    replied to Chris on last edited by
    #3732

    @Chris said in Foster:

    @ploughboy said in Foster:

    @Chris said in Foster:

    @Machpants said in Foster:

    Apparently, the reasons that fucking foster stayed were:

    1. Razor's 'in principle' team lacked international experience, so NZR wanted Schmidt in on it. He met Razor (as ordered by NZR), and then said 'no' - not due to not wanting to work with Razor, but because he thought it was pretty shitty for him to be talking to a potential replacement whilst working for Foster. Loyalty said he would stay.
    2. Great result SA 2
    3. Senior players loving getting picked no matter what and publicly backing him

    Overall what a cluster, who the fuck is in charge? Not NZR, Robinson, or the Board!

    Paywalled

    Rugby, Sport

    Exclusive: The dramatic real reasons Ian Foster wasn't axed as All Blacks coach

    Exclusive: The dramatic real reasons Ian Foster wasn't axed as All Blacks coach

    The real story from the turbulent moments when the All Blacks role was at stake.

    What complete fuck feast,Not hard to see who is in charge and its not the board.

    i though you would know all this

    I do, just commenting on the retarded fucks

    yeah was commenting on the bit of schmidt haveing a chat with robertson and why he did not get job

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  • Dan54D Offline
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    Dan54
    replied to Chris on last edited by
    #3733

    @Chris said in Foster:

    @Dan54 said in Foster:

    @Chris said in Foster:

    @Machpants said in Foster:

    Apparently, the reasons that fucking foster stayed were:

    1. Razor's 'in principle' team lacked international experience, so NZR wanted Schmidt in on it. He met Razor (as ordered by NZR), and then said 'no' - not due to not wanting to work with Razor, but because he thought it was pretty shitty for him to be talking to a potential replacement whilst working for Foster. Loyalty said he would stay.
    2. Great result SA 2
    3. Senior players loving getting picked no matter what and publicly backing him

    Overall what a cluster, who the fuck is in charge? Not NZR, Robinson, or the Board!

    Paywalled

    Rugby, Sport

    Exclusive: The dramatic real reasons Ian Foster wasn't axed as All Blacks coach

    Exclusive: The dramatic real reasons Ian Foster wasn't axed as All Blacks coach

    The real story from the turbulent moments when the All Blacks role was at stake.

    What complete fuck feast,Not hard to see who is in charge and its not the board.

    What's wrong, this is NZ Hurld write up, so if you take it as accurate (there is a first time for those pricks) I see nothing exciting, basically what do they say that nobody knows (or more likely thought they knew) unless it was the fact that Schmidt didn't want to work with Razor (same as Tony Brown). Nothing very exciting in it.

    if you can't see what's wrong then no point explaining it to you.

    No probably not, just let's say you found some new facts, I didn't. So I don't get too upset.

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  • NepiaN Offline
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    Nepia
    wrote on last edited by
    #3734

    So who are the senior players getting picked that are having all this influence? A fair few of them would be Cantabs - Taylor, Whitelock, S Barrett, Mo, plus Cane, Savea, BBBR, BB, Rieko maybe?

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  • ChrisC Offline
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    Chris
    replied to Nepia on last edited by
    #3735

    @Nepia said in Foster:

    So who are the senior players getting picked that are having all this influence? A fair few of them would be Cantabs - Taylor, Whitelock, S Barrett, Mo, plus Cane, Savea, BBBR, BB, Rieko maybe?

    Coles,Smith,
    Would be in that mix as well.

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    Number 10
    replied to Chris on last edited by
    #3736

    This is the NZ Herald article by Gregor Paul

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  • Billy TellB Offline
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    wrote on last edited by
    #3737

    Paul has become a bit insufferable

    “10 things you don’t know about the ABs”
    “The REAL reason Aaron Smith has a bullet pass”
    “What the Barrett’s mum cooked to feed her hungry boys”

    And so on. AKA click-bait

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