So what did we learn from Bled2?
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Watching on tv, it seemed that Ioane lost his footing a little when he should have been shaping up to pass. When he looked right, it looked like the presence of MK made it a riskier pass.
He has been great with ball in hand and his extra pace in defence has been invaluable and saves certain tries, but there is a nagging feeling that he isn’t distributing as well, especially when making a break.
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@taniwharugby said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
I think off that break RI could have passed to Will, Koribete may or may not have caught Will who in turn could have passed back to RI...don't think it was a bad non pass, but a could have passed.
Agree 100%
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@chimoaus I remember watching that video circulating of mccaw giving commentary of the 15 wc final ,
And watching the game live there were things I was blowing up over , like why is smith kicking possession away when we get into attacking position etc
Then watching the video mccaw would say , we believed if we kicked here this would happen blah blah blah ,
You just never know what is their decision or what they have been instructed to do .
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Havili must be feeling unlucky. One head knock had him go from starting All Black to suddenly possibly missing out on a World Cup berth if ALB and/or Goodhue are fit and in form.
In saying that though, we have to temper Jordie's performance (and All Blacks performance in general) with the fact that the Wallaby are currently 9th in the world.
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@Frye said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
Havili must be feeling unlucky. One head knock had him go from starting All Black to suddenly possibly missing out on a World Cup berth if ALB and/or Goodhue are fit and in form.
In saying that though, we have to temper Jordie's performance (and All Blacks performance in general) with the fact that the Wallaby are currently 9th in the world.
He never felt like the answer. After a few games up north we will see if JB can nail 12 down or not. Unless Foster hands the job back to DH and we learn nothing
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@canefan said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@Frye said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
Havili must be feeling unlucky. One head knock had him go from starting All Black to suddenly possibly missing out on a World Cup berth if ALB and/or Goodhue are fit and in form.
In saying that though, we have to temper Jordie's performance (and All Blacks performance in general) with the fact that the Wallaby are currently 9th in the world.
He never felt like the answer. After a few games up north we will see if JB can nail 12 down or not. Unless Foster hands the job back to DH and we learn nothing
To be fair Japan,Scotland and Wales will not give us too many answers.England maybe will.
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@Chris said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@canefan said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@Frye said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
Havili must be feeling unlucky. One head knock had him go from starting All Black to suddenly possibly missing out on a World Cup berth if ALB and/or Goodhue are fit and in form.
In saying that though, we have to temper Jordie's performance (and All Blacks performance in general) with the fact that the Wallaby are currently 9th in the world.
He never felt like the answer. After a few games up north we will see if JB can nail 12 down or not. Unless Foster hands the job back to DH and we learn nothing
To be fair Japan,Scotland and Wales will not give us too many answers.England maybe will.
Wins may not but losses might certainly change the landscape.
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@Frye said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@Chris said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@canefan said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@Frye said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
Havili must be feeling unlucky. One head knock had him go from starting All Black to suddenly possibly missing out on a World Cup berth if ALB and/or Goodhue are fit and in form.
In saying that though, we have to temper Jordie's performance (and All Blacks performance in general) with the fact that the Wallaby are currently 9th in the world.
He never felt like the answer. After a few games up north we will see if JB can nail 12 down or not. Unless Foster hands the job back to DH and we learn nothing
To be fair Japan,Scotland and Wales will not give us too many answers.England maybe will.
Wins may not but losses might certainly change the landscape.
Fuck that would, but losing to Japan,Scotland or Wales unthinkable.
Well ,so was losing to Argentina at home and losing a series to Ireland at home. -
@Chris said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@canefan said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@Frye said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
Havili must be feeling unlucky. One head knock had him go from starting All Black to suddenly possibly missing out on a World Cup berth if ALB and/or Goodhue are fit and in form.
In saying that though, we have to temper Jordie's performance (and All Blacks performance in general) with the fact that the Wallaby are currently 9th in the world.
He never felt like the answer. After a few games up north we will see if JB can nail 12 down or not. Unless Foster hands the job back to DH and we learn nothing
To be fair **Japan,Scotland and Wales will not give us too many answers.**England maybe will.
You probably thought that about Ireland and Argentina earlier this year.
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@MN5 said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@Chris said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@canefan said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@Frye said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
Havili must be feeling unlucky. One head knock had him go from starting All Black to suddenly possibly missing out on a World Cup berth if ALB and/or Goodhue are fit and in form.
In saying that though, we have to temper Jordie's performance (and All Blacks performance in general) with the fact that the Wallaby are currently 9th in the world.
He never felt like the answer. After a few games up north we will see if JB can nail 12 down or not. Unless Foster hands the job back to DH and we learn nothing
To be fair **Japan,Scotland and Wales will not give us too many answers.**England maybe will.
You probably thought that about Ireland and Argentina earlier this year.
LOL Now I am not looking forward to the EOYT.
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@Chris said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@MN5 said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@Chris said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@canefan said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@Frye said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
Havili must be feeling unlucky. One head knock had him go from starting All Black to suddenly possibly missing out on a World Cup berth if ALB and/or Goodhue are fit and in form.
In saying that though, we have to temper Jordie's performance (and All Blacks performance in general) with the fact that the Wallaby are currently 9th in the world.
He never felt like the answer. After a few games up north we will see if JB can nail 12 down or not. Unless Foster hands the job back to DH and we learn nothing
To be fair **Japan,Scotland and Wales will not give us too many answers.**England maybe will.
You probably thought that about Ireland and Argentina earlier this year.
LOL Now I am not looking forward to the EOYT.
Scotland and Wales were probably quite excited about meeting the ABs on tour a few weeks ago. Maybe not quite so much now. I'm keen to see how the group respond to going away with Ryan and Schmidt
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@Machpants said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@taniwharugby said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
I think off that break RI could have passed to Will, Koribete may or may not have caught Will who in turn could have passed back to RI...don't think it was a bad non pass, but a could have passed.
I think guys like DP, HS, RTS,FF, TV and others have all been given far too little time out there to be making any kind of call on them.
Of that bunch, DP is the one I like most, potential captain, arguably the best 7 in super rugby, then got splinters most of the test campaign.
AI is an interesting one, physically he should be the best player on the park, but often isn't...he did some good stuff last night but still seems to drift in and out of games, think he has way more upside than Frizzell, but also see the value of the energiser bunny, Blackadder.
Was nice having a physical direct running 12, rather that a lightweight 12 and using like he is a heavier physical specimen! Havili has his skills, but doesn't demand attention from opposition as a bigger 12 will.
Was great to see the 2 old locks playing well, feeding off one another's energy, winding back the clock...can they hang on for another 12 months?
Still huge concerns with our ability to do the basics, I mean we had what, 30 mins in the last 2 weeks with a numerical advantage yetfailed to capitalise...and the other not so small elephant in the room, our defence.
We seem good on our line more often when no depth to worry about but is this.just good scramble, but outside this we are still so unstructured and ill disciplined (in being able to hold our line) often we are staggered, width is all over the show...
All told, I think more positives than negatives.
That was a blown try, I was high up above the halfway line, and Ioane not passing was top level hungus, appalling decision. Almost dead cert try blown.
When he looked towards Jordan, Jordan was potentially obscured by Koroibete. Had Rieko had a subsequent look a split second later then he may well have.
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@BartMan said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@Victor-Meldrew said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@Tim said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@mariner4life He's had four blinders in the last five tests. Yet dickheads will just assume that because we aren't making spectacular wide moves, while scoring 40 points, it must because we have a defective centre. Moronic.
I think he's the best option at 13 and has come on in spades, but has some work-on's - e. g. he needs to give his support players/wingers more space. There have been times when he's made a blistering break but edged towards the touchline which cramps his attack options.
Yes perhaps Reiko is currently best option with injuries etc. But needs to learn to put his wingers into space. You know, centre stuff!
I think he's getting there in that regard - though I still think the way the wings & FB position themselves needs improvement, even when Reiko isn't involved.
It's more his broken field play I have a problem with. It's almost as if he can't make up his mind to gas it himself on the outside or pass.
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@Frye said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
Havili must be feeling unlucky. One head knock had him go from starting All Black to suddenly possibly missing out on a World Cup berth if ALB and/or Goodhue are fit and in form.
Havili's utility value will put him in good stead for a World Cup spot even if he can't regain the 12 shirt.
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@KiwiMurph said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@Frye said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
Havili must be feeling unlucky. One head knock had him go from starting All Black to suddenly possibly missing out on a World Cup berth if ALB and/or Goodhue are fit and in form.Havili's utility value will put him in good stead for a World Cup spot even if he can't regain the 12 shirt.
Room will be found for McKenzie before Havili I think. I'm not ruling him out but the picture has just become a lot less clear.
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@antipodean said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@Machpants said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@taniwharugby said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
I think off that break RI could have passed to Will, Koribete may or may not have caught Will who in turn could have passed back to RI...don't think it was a bad non pass, but a could have passed.
I think guys like DP, HS, RTS,FF, TV and others have all been given far too little time out there to be making any kind of call on them.
Of that bunch, DP is the one I like most, potential captain, arguably the best 7 in super rugby, then got splinters most of the test campaign.
AI is an interesting one, physically he should be the best player on the park, but often isn't...he did some good stuff last night but still seems to drift in and out of games, think he has way more upside than Frizzell, but also see the value of the energiser bunny, Blackadder.
Was nice having a physical direct running 12, rather that a lightweight 12 and using like he is a heavier physical specimen! Havili has his skills, but doesn't demand attention from opposition as a bigger 12 will.
Was great to see the 2 old locks playing well, feeding off one another's energy, winding back the clock...can they hang on for another 12 months?
Still huge concerns with our ability to do the basics, I mean we had what, 30 mins in the last 2 weeks with a numerical advantage yetfailed to capitalise...and the other not so small elephant in the room, our defence.
We seem good on our line more often when no depth to worry about but is this.just good scramble, but outside this we are still so unstructured and ill disciplined (in being able to hold our line) often we are staggered, width is all over the show...
All told, I think more positives than negatives.
That was a blown try, I was high up above the halfway line, and Ioane not passing was top level hungus, appalling decision. Almost dead cert try blown.
When he looked towards Jordan, Jordan was potentially obscured by Koroibete. Had Rieko had a subsequent look a split second later then he may well have.
If he had passed, and Marika had got in the middle to block the pass (which looked possible) then I bet many of the same people complaining he didn't pass would be complaining he did.
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@KiwiMurph QT is the likely unlucky one. Ignoring the injury, JB and DH are both kicking 12s.
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@Nepia said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@antipodean said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@Machpants said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@taniwharugby said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
I think off that break RI could have passed to Will, Koribete may or may not have caught Will who in turn could have passed back to RI...don't think it was a bad non pass, but a could have passed.
I think guys like DP, HS, RTS,FF, TV and others have all been given far too little time out there to be making any kind of call on them.
Of that bunch, DP is the one I like most, potential captain, arguably the best 7 in super rugby, then got splinters most of the test campaign.
AI is an interesting one, physically he should be the best player on the park, but often isn't...he did some good stuff last night but still seems to drift in and out of games, think he has way more upside than Frizzell, but also see the value of the energiser bunny, Blackadder.
Was nice having a physical direct running 12, rather that a lightweight 12 and using like he is a heavier physical specimen! Havili has his skills, but doesn't demand attention from opposition as a bigger 12 will.
Was great to see the 2 old locks playing well, feeding off one another's energy, winding back the clock...can they hang on for another 12 months?
Still huge concerns with our ability to do the basics, I mean we had what, 30 mins in the last 2 weeks with a numerical advantage yetfailed to capitalise...and the other not so small elephant in the room, our defence.
We seem good on our line more often when no depth to worry about but is this.just good scramble, but outside this we are still so unstructured and ill disciplined (in being able to hold our line) often we are staggered, width is all over the show...
All told, I think more positives than negatives.
That was a blown try, I was high up above the halfway line, and Ioane not passing was top level hungus, appalling decision. Almost dead cert try blown.
When he looked towards Jordan, Jordan was potentially obscured by Koroibete. Had Rieko had a subsequent look a split second later then he may well have.
If he had passed, and Marika had got in the middle to block the pass (which looked possible) then I bet many of the same people complaining he didn't pass would be complaining he did.
Rightly so, it would've been a fuck up. But from my almost spider cam view, that was a blown try. Admittedly I didn't see the possible slip, but it was easy to see the positioning. He didn't look early enough, or at all? I'll see in the replay
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@Machpants said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@Nepia said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@antipodean said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@Machpants said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@taniwharugby said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
I think off that break RI could have passed to Will, Koribete may or may not have caught Will who in turn could have passed back to RI...don't think it was a bad non pass, but a could have passed.
I think guys like DP, HS, RTS,FF, TV and others have all been given far too little time out there to be making any kind of call on them.
Of that bunch, DP is the one I like most, potential captain, arguably the best 7 in super rugby, then got splinters most of the test campaign.
AI is an interesting one, physically he should be the best player on the park, but often isn't...he did some good stuff last night but still seems to drift in and out of games, think he has way more upside than Frizzell, but also see the value of the energiser bunny, Blackadder.
Was nice having a physical direct running 12, rather that a lightweight 12 and using like he is a heavier physical specimen! Havili has his skills, but doesn't demand attention from opposition as a bigger 12 will.
Was great to see the 2 old locks playing well, feeding off one another's energy, winding back the clock...can they hang on for another 12 months?
Still huge concerns with our ability to do the basics, I mean we had what, 30 mins in the last 2 weeks with a numerical advantage yetfailed to capitalise...and the other not so small elephant in the room, our defence.
We seem good on our line more often when no depth to worry about but is this.just good scramble, but outside this we are still so unstructured and ill disciplined (in being able to hold our line) often we are staggered, width is all over the show...
All told, I think more positives than negatives.
That was a blown try, I was high up above the halfway line, and Ioane not passing was top level hungus, appalling decision. Almost dead cert try blown.
When he looked towards Jordan, Jordan was potentially obscured by Koroibete. Had Rieko had a subsequent look a split second later then he may well have.
If he had passed, and Marika had got in the middle to block the pass (which looked possible) then I bet many of the same people complaining he didn't pass would be complaining he did.
Rightly so, it would've been a fuck up. But from my almost spider cam view, that was a blown try. Admittedly I didn't see the possible slip, but it was easy to see the positioning. He didn't look early enough, or at all? I'll see in the replay
I think Caleb looks better when you see the replay. I thought the pass was marginal watching on TV
