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    He's still a shit coach. Really hoping those muppets at NZR don't now extend Foster's contract to aftet the 2023 RWC.

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    @sparky said in Foster:

    He's still a shit coach. Really hoping those muppets at NZR don't now extend Foster's contract to aftet the 2023 RWC.

    Don't think that decision will be made until after RWC2023.

    If Foster reaches the Final (or even has a close SF exit), they'll see a strong case for retaining him - particularly as it could be argued he rescued the team from the nadir of 2021/22 and rose above the pressure and personal criticism from the media and public.

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    I didn't think that there is any serious talk of him going beyond the RWC?

    The sail is set with the coaching team for the RWC now and they need to see this through for better or worse.

    Last night was an improvement in that we got the W in an error ridden performance. Lots of work ons and lessons to absorb. Focus will obviously now be on sorting out next week and especially the bench with shudder Ennor.

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    @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:

    If Foster reaches the Final (or even has a close SF exit), they'll see a strong case for retaining him - particularly as it could be argued he rescued the team from the nadir of 2021/22 and rose above the pressure and personal criticism from the media and public.

    He caused the nadir.

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    @Crucial said in Foster:

    I didn't think that there is any serious talk of him going beyond the RWC?

    The sail is set with the coaching team for the RWC now and they need to see this through for better or worse.

    Last night was an improvement in that we got the W in an error ridden performance. Lots of work ons and lessons to absorb. Focus will obviously now be on sorting out next week and especially the bench with shudder Ennor.

    Play JB at 12, RI will be 13. RTS on the bench. I'd like to see Reece in for Clarke, but I reckon CC stays. Jordan stays on his wing and BB plays at 15. Despite being past his prime I felt like Beaudy was at the heart of some of the good stuff we did

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    @Frank said in Foster:

    @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:

    If Foster reaches the Final (or even has a close SF exit), they'll see a strong case for retaining him - particularly as it could be argued he rescued the team from the nadir of 2021/22 and rose above the pressure and personal criticism from the media and public.

    He caused the nadir.

    Bit irrelevant to the point I'm making (and I'd argue we were well on the slide long before he took over).

    NZR like continuity and if he does OK at RWC2023 there's a chance they may stick with him or give it to one of his assistants rather than appoint a completely new coach or one with zero international experience.

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    We beat the 8th ranked team by 2 points and had 37 point put past us.

    Context.

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    @Victor-Meldrew didn't Hansen say Foster had been doing more in the last years anyway?

    Regardless he has been part of the coaching team that has seen that decline, seemingly doing little to plug holes, upskill deficiencies until this year when job was on the line...

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    @taniwharugby yeah but NZ had covid and no one else did.

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    @taniwharugby said in Foster:

    @Victor-Meldrew didn't Hansen say Foster had been doing more in the last years anyway?

    Regardless he has been part of the coaching team that has seen that decline, seemingly doing little to plug holes, upskill deficiencies until this year when job was on the line...

    I'm really not commenting on Foster's performance - only pointing out possible NZR thinking if we do OK at RWC2023.

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    Scary stuff being talked about. The ABs needed a complete clean out and refresh in 2019, arguably earlier, but the old regime remained. Predictable results have resulted although it is surprising how steep the decline has been because even with poor teams the ABs had always been in the fight. Against top opposition, a rare win in Ellis Park is distorting reality. Obviously not entirely Foster's fault, but he is the symbol of the old brigade and so the fans venom targets him.
    I think we are kidding ourselves if you think we can get past France, Ireland, and SA to reach a semi at the RWC. It would take a lot of luck to do so in the present situation. The obvious advantage is that teams won't spend 3 years plus planning the ABs downfall I suppose.

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    @Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster:

    get past France, Ireland, and SA to reach a semi

    Pretty sure that's not required just to reach a semi.

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    @Bones said in Foster:

    @Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster:

    get past France, Ireland, and SA to reach a semi

    Pretty sure that's not required just to reach a semi.

    Don’t have to beat all of them even to win. If we lose to France in the pool then win our semi, one of the others will be knocked out.
    It’s possible that we may play all three but don’t have to beat them all.

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    @Crucial said in Foster:

    @Bones said in Foster:

    @Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster:

    get past France, Ireland, and SA to reach a semi

    Pretty sure that's not required just to reach a semi.

    Don’t have to beat all of them even to win. If we lose to France in the pool then win our semi, one of the others will be knocked out.
    It’s possible that we may play all three but don’t have to beat them all.

    That's what I mean, we can lose to France and still win a quarter final. So would we play Ireland or SA in the quarter?

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    @Bones said in Foster:

    @Crucial said in Foster:

    @Bones said in Foster:

    @Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster:

    get past France, Ireland, and SA to reach a semi

    Pretty sure that's not required just to reach a semi.

    Don’t have to beat all of them even to win. If we lose to France in the pool then win our semi, one of the others will be knocked out.
    It’s possible that we may play all three but don’t have to beat them all.

    That's what I mean, we can lose to France and still win a quarter final. So would we play Ireland or SA in the quarter?

    Ireland never make it past the quarter so they’re an option although letting France knock them out appeals as well

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    After Plumtree and Mooar, McLeod could (should ?) be sacked.

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    @cgrant

    Our defence has been pretty poor for a few years. It is too passive, the defence system can be broken down and and we don’t have enough urgency in defence.

    Before the 2 sackings this year, people were calling for McLeod to be replaced last year.

    I’m not truly up to speed with other coaches we have in Nz. Is there any Defensive coach in NZ that would be an improvement?

    Defence seems like an area that we could go outside NZ to get an individual to improve our defensive ability.

    We are improving from the horror start of the season but defence is one of the biggest weakness we have.

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    @Victor-Meldrew

    At this stage, Schmidt is probably the front runner (if he wanted a head coach role again)

    You get the feeling that NZR will not have learned the lesson from the post RWC2019 coaching recruitment efforts, and Razor will probably have a fat contract with a NH country signed prior to the tournament starting.

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    @DaGrubster said in Foster:

    @Victor-Meldrew

    At this stage, Schmidt is probably the front runner (if he wanted a head coach role again)

    Hard to disagree. Poss. Rennie or Joseph in the mix?

    You get the feeling that NZR will not have learned the lesson from the post RWC2019 coaching recruitment efforts, and Razor will probably have a fat contract with a NH country signed prior to the tournament starting.

    I dunno. NZR seem to have a policy of Head Coaches with previous international experience and If we do OK at RWC2023, they'll reasonably argue that's worked for them in the past and continue with it. Might well change if we don't do well though.

    As for, Robertson, he didn't want an AB Assistant Coach role so I guess as far as NZR are concerned, he's free to do his own thing unless he has an arrangement with them

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    I would be very positive about a Ryan/Joseph/Brown/McDonald/O'Halloran/McMillan mix of some kind.

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