Foster, Robertson etc
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@ACT-Crusader said in Foster:
@His-Bobness said in Foster:
Excellent analysis in the Roar by ‘Highlander’ on Foster’s incomprehensible single-minded devotion to helter-skelter play that pays little heed to what the opposition will bring to the game. We have seen this so many times now, it raises questions about the man’s intelligence:
“The Foster iteration of the All Blacks has no identity, and even when they show periods of high-quality international rugby, it is not maintained and this reversion to helter-skelter nonsense just repeats ad nauseam from a side that simply does not have the skillset to play the way the way they are pursuing. For mine, this ill-directed game plan has an inbuilt negative multiplier of poor selection, both in personnel and positions.”
And a thought provoking quote in the comments -
"Was it just me [too many red wines] thinking that the AB backline was standing noticeably flatter this week than they were at Ellis Park. If I am right this must have been a coaching instruction from our new attack coach. During Schmidt’s time with Ireland it was a feature of their game that the backline had a very flat alignment. I thought the great strength of the ABs at Ellis Park was the extra depth of the backline enabling Mounga and Havili time to play to their strengths. I wonder if Schmidt is going to be the game changer for the ABs so many posters on here thought he would be. So far [and I know there has only been one game] the prospects don’t look promising. At the end of his time with Ireland they were being beaten by teams like Japan and the comment was being made that their game plan was very predictable. Some of the players subsequently made the point that Schmidt was extremely stubborn and refused to change. Sound familiar. Perhaps he and Foster were made for each other. It certainly looked so on Saturday night."
Yep noticed that flat alignment and wondered why the change from what we achieved at Ellis Park.
It certainly made a significant difference in a negative way standing really flat.Especially when the Argies were deploying a similar rush defence as the Boks. We certainly weren’t getting the returns for what the flat alignment provides with the defence the Argies were playing.
I don’t understand with Schmidt taking over the attack for the Argies test why we reverted back to that
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@ACT-Crusader said in Foster:
@His-Bobness said in Foster:
Excellent analysis in the Roar by ‘Highlander’ on Foster’s incomprehensible single-minded devotion to helter-skelter play that pays little heed to what the opposition will bring to the game. We have seen this so many times now, it raises questions about the man’s intelligence:
“The Foster iteration of the All Blacks has no identity, and even when they show periods of high-quality international rugby, it is not maintained and this reversion to helter-skelter nonsense just repeats ad nauseam from a side that simply does not have the skillset to play the way the way they are pursuing. For mine, this ill-directed game plan has an inbuilt negative multiplier of poor selection, both in personnel and positions.”
And a thought provoking quote in the comments -
"Was it just me [too many red wines] thinking that the AB backline was standing noticeably flatter this week than they were at Ellis Park. If I am right this must have been a coaching instruction from our new attack coach. During Schmidt’s time with Ireland it was a feature of their game that the backline had a very flat alignment. I thought the great strength of the ABs at Ellis Park was the extra depth of the backline enabling Mounga and Havili time to play to their strengths. I wonder if Schmidt is going to be the game changer for the ABs so many posters on here thought he would be. So far [and I know there has only been one game] the prospects don’t look promising. At the end of his time with Ireland they were being beaten by teams like Japan and the comment was being made that their game plan was very predictable. Some of the players subsequently made the point that Schmidt was extremely stubborn and refused to change. Sound familiar. Perhaps he and Foster were made for each other. It certainly looked so on Saturday night."
Yep noticed that flat alignment and wondered why the change from what we achieved at Ellis Park.
It certainly made a significant difference in a negative way standing really flat.Especially when the Argies were deploying a similar rush defence as the Boks. We certainly weren’t getting the returns for what the flat alignment provides with the defence the Argies were playing.
I don’t understand with Schmidt taking over the attack for the Argies test why we reverted back to that
Keeping the powder dry
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@Winger Ive read comments from Irish supporters and I guess the feeling is a bit mixed when it comes to Joe , overall they are happy with some of the success he brought but there is still some negative stuff to go with that ,
Basically it goes along the line of- he was great for a while , then we got worked out and everyone knew what was coming , he didnt seem to have an answer and just kept recycling the same stuff
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
Aaron Smith coming off with 20 to go was poor as well. He was playing OK, but more to the point what we needed was experience and cool heads, not a guy with basically no experience.
He was playing dog shit by then. Like the rest of 'em. Christie needs a start now.
Not on the form he displayed this year. Like an excitable puppy with the passing to match.
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I hate myself for doing this, but Foster hasn't been helped by the refs this year. With this team, we are vulnerable to a ref that plays a style we struggle with.
Ireland 3: the head collision should have been red, and we'd win that game.
Bokke 1: the ref interpretations around supporting bodyweight were ... interesting. We weren't good enough to respond and play to the new line, but it let SA wreak merry havoc in our rucks. Our cleaning sucked too, but the ref sure didn't help.
Argentina 1: Just at the end of the first half. The ref is just a bit random, and really likes blowing penalties against attacking sides, and allow some random players off feet to play the ball. You can see players getting frustrated; some pedantic calls followed by shrugging at offences.
Nothing major to it, just reflecting on it. We're not a well disciplined side, adn we don't seem to be playing smart to refs. But, Foster is not being helped.
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I hate myself for doing this, but Foster hasn't been helped by the refs this year. With this team, we are vulnerable to a ref that plays a style we struggle with.
Ireland 3: the head collision should have been red, and we'd win that game.
Bokke 1: the ref interpretations around supporting bodyweight were ... interesting. We weren't good enough to respond and play to the new line, but it let SA wreak merry havoc in our rucks. Our cleaning sucked too, but the ref sure didn't help.
Argentina 1: Just at the end of the first half. The ref is just a bit random, and really likes blowing penalties against attacking sides, and allow some random players off feet to play the ball. You can see players getting frustrated; some pedantic calls followed by shrugging at offences.
Nothing major to it, just reflecting on it. We're not a well disciplined side, adn we don't seem to be playing smart to refs. But, Foster is not being helped.
handling refs is part of playing smart and selecting and coaching smart players and smart tactics. It isn't a one-off game but almost every game (not SA test 2).
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@kiwiinmelb said in Foster:
@Winger Ive read comments from Irish supporters and I guess the feeling is a bit mixed when it comes to Joe , overall they are happy with some of the success he brought but there is still some negative stuff to go with that ,
Basically it goes along the line of- he was great for a while , then we got worked out and everyone knew what was coming , he didnt seem to have an answer and just kept recycling the same stuff
Yeah that's my feedback as well. He was great at finally making them consistent but it was a highly attritional style of play that bit them on the arse in 2019. Farrell has injected some much needed innovation and taken them to another level. It concerns me greatly that we seem to have inherited a guy who is considered past his use by date.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel dunno, right now having some structure & consistency sounds mighty fine to me...cos the 2nd half of that test, and the 1st of the 3rd Irish test are up there as some of the worst AB rugby I have seen where nothing went right and basic skills went out the window.
The pressure form the opposition, the pressure from themselves, the pressure simply to perform is immense, and they are failing at almost every turn right now.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster:
@kiwiinmelb said in Foster:
@Winger Ive read comments from Irish supporters and I guess the feeling is a bit mixed when it comes to Joe , overall they are happy with some of the success he brought but there is still some negative stuff to go with that ,
Basically it goes along the line of- he was great for a while , then we got worked out and everyone knew what was coming , he didnt seem to have an answer and just kept recycling the same stuff
Yeah that's my feedback as well. He was great at finally making them consistent but it was a highly attritional style of play that bit them on the arse in 2019. Farrell has injected some much needed innovation and taken them to another level. It concerns me greatly that we seem to have inherited a guy who is considered past his use by date.
I was really impressed that Farrell took the basic building blocks (which were good) but further honed them (where needed).
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@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@Rancid-Schnitzel dunno, right now having some structure & consistency sounds mighty fine to me...cos the 2nd half of that test, and the 1st of the 3rd Irish test are up there as some of the worst AB rugby I have seen where nothing went right and basic skills went out the window.
The pressure form the opposition, the pressure from themselves, the pressure simply to perform is immense, and they are failing at almost every turn right now.
I guess it depends on what his role is. Given what we saw from Ireland, I'm not certain attack coach is quite his jam.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel Beaudy thinks it'll work
But this part is what you are pointing at
But while Schmidt's attacking style with Ireland - and Leinster before that - was built on pragmatism rather than flair, Barrett is also confident the All Blacks can add a dimension under his tutelage.
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@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@Rancid-Schnitzel Beaudy thinks it'll work
But this part is what you are pointing at
But while Schmidt's attacking style with Ireland - and Leinster before that - was built on pragmatism rather than flair, Barrett is also confident the All Blacks can add a dimension under his tutelage.
Well Barrett can't really say anything else can he?.Even if he has doubts.
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Was he attack coach with the Blues this year ?
or what was his role there ?
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His attack already worked well with NZ players in SR
It was hardly limited for the Blues
1st Points scored
1st Clean breaks
1st Tries scored
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@kiwiinmelb said in Foster:
Was he attack coach with the Blues this year ?
Him and Halangahu
Officially Schmidt was a consultant and Halangahu a skills coach. There was a big improvement on attack from 2021
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@kiwiinmelb said in Foster:
Was he attack coach with the Blues this year ?
Him and Halangahu
yeah ok i missed a lot of SR this year , but from what I saw Blues looked great in attack ( trying to be glass half full )
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@Duluth yeah he is probably best placed to comment on it having worked with Schmidt for a while...that said, trying new patterns and set up while confidence is low won't help.
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Also, maybe it suits some players more than others?
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This is something of a must watch for everyone on the Fern about where the ABs are at right now. Gregory Paul clearly has very good sauces and he is talking very openly here.
Key points if you don't have time to watch it all.
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NZR were very keen to bring Joe Schmidt in because of his knowledge of Ireland and Six Nations Rugby. They think that will help the team at the next RWC.
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Joe Schmidt felt loyalty to Ian Foster so was only going to work with him. Joe Schmidt is in the driver's seat to take over from Foster post-2023 RWC.
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Razor thinks the ABs need a total clearout of staff from Head Coach to Masseur. Go back to Ground Zero. This is too radical/costly for NZR.
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England, Wales and Scotland are already thinking of Razor as their coach post 2023 RWC. Given Eddie Jones is retiring, don't be surprised if Razor is named as the next England coach in February or March.
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The Irish presenters can't believe how bad the All Blacks are at the moment and that NZR are letting a genius slip through their hands.
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