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@BartMan said in All Black pack:
At least our forwards played better than they have for months. Scrum dominance, great lineout work until Taylor hit the field, props adding some great ball carries to their core duties.
Pity the rest of the attack plan was about as penetrating as a flaccid penis...But when things got tight, our breakdown work, by the forwards, was flaccid as fuck. Watch the last 10 mins, and see us have to commit 3 to 5 players to every breakdown. The Arg maybe 1, 2 or none. That was where the game was lost. Our breakdown work was pathetic. The replacement front row went missing. So there were so many bodies thrown at the breakdown we never had number - obvioulsy compounded by being at 14 men.
But as you say, attack was arse. Can we JUST ONCE, actually have some deception on attack, rather than basic plays from the pod? Ireland ripped us apart with that, the ABs would be so fucking awesome at it. But we don't use deception at all, that it obviously for lesser rugby nations.
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@Machpants said in All Black pack:
@BartMan said in All Black pack:
At least our forwards played better than they have for months. Scrum dominance, great lineout work until Taylor hit the field, props adding some great ball carries to their core duties.
Pity the rest of the attack plan was about as penetrating as a flaccid penis...But when things got tight, our breakdown work, by the forwards, was flaccid as fuck. Watch the last 10 mins, and see us have to commit 3 to 5 players to every breakdown. The Arg maybe 1, 2 or none. That was where the game was lost. Our breakdown work was pathetic. The replacement front row went missing. So there were so many bodies thrown at the breakdown we never had number - obvioulsy compounded by being at 14 men.
But as you say, attack was arse. Can we JUST ONCE, actually have some deception on attack, rather than basic plays from the pod? Ireland ripped us apart with that, the ABs would be so fucking awesome at it. But we don't use deception at all, that it obviously for lesser rugby nations.
From the best seller "Ian Foster: A Rugby Genius", your strategy should always be based on either:
a) no strategy whatsoever. How can your opponents guess how you will play if no one knows?
b) what your opponents did last weekImitating Ireland is so last month....
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Id be starting Newell, Sami, DeGroot, Savea, Papalii.
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Vaai, Sotutu deserve some time -
Front five apart from Taylor okay. Vaii needs more gametime.
Backrow not working. Ardie empties the tank every week but he's not a natural 8. Flankers get outplayed by the opposition in most games.
Starting Back row: Akira Ioane, Papali'i, Sotutu. Ardie off the bench.
Won't happen though because Foster has his favourites.
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We have used 21 forwards this year and 16 backs that is 37 players have had some sort of game time.
How many more do we use everyone in SR Yet the one consistent in this is Foster and he stays.
Sacked 2 assistant coachesIt is everyones fault except Foster
Change as many players as we want and it won't change much under Foster.
Enough is enough
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@Chris said in All Black pack:
How many more do we use everyone in SR Yet the one consistent in this is Foster and he stays.
I have another read on this, which is that Super is no longer preparing people for Test rugby. It used to - we had a conveyor belt of talent. Now, not so much ... the questions are different, and players that shine in Super just dno't easily transfer the form to Tests. I think part of this is due to the coaching exodus, just not preparing players or lifting quality well enough. Or playing SA sides regularly too (although that's my hill to die on).
That's not on Foster. The crappy game plan and selections are on him, but the lack of world class players are not. That said, I think some of those players could be there or thereabouts - bu tthey need the environment, prep and coaching to get there, as well as a coherent game plan.
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@nzzp said in All Black pack:
The crappy game plan and selections are on him,
This is Foster right through from his Chiefs days.
And he is coaching and selecting the AB's ,seems to me not the right choice and nothing will change while he is there. -
@Chris said in All Black pack:
@nzzp said in All Black pack:
The crappy game plan and selections are on him,
This is Foster right through from his Chiefs days.
And he is coaching and selecting the AB's ,seems to me not the right choice and nothing will change while he is there.I agree.
But - the problems go deeper than just Foster. As @Victor-Meldrew keeps pointing out, new coaches will still have to deal with the cattle.
This would should have been cauterised after Irealnd 3,a nd everyone would be moving forward. Someone used the word 'dithering' in another thread - sums up NZR beautifully.
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@nzzp said in All Black pack:
@Chris said in All Black pack:
@nzzp said in All Black pack:
The crappy game plan and selections are on him,
This is Foster right through from his Chiefs days.
And he is coaching and selecting the AB's ,seems to me not the right choice and nothing will change while he is there.I agree.
But - the problems go deeper than just Foster. As @Victor-Meldrew keeps pointing out, new coaches will still have to deal with the cattle.
This would should have been cauterised after Irealnd 3,a nd everyone would be moving forward. Someone used the word 'dithering' in another thread - sums up NZR beautifully.
I agree there is more than Foster as the problem, but for me its a great place to start.
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@nzzp said in All Black pack:
@Chris said in All Black pack:
@nzzp said in All Black pack:
The crappy game plan and selections are on him,
This is Foster right through from his Chiefs days.
And he is coaching and selecting the AB's ,seems to me not the right choice and nothing will change while he is there.I agree.
But - the problems go deeper than just Foster. As @Victor-Meldrew keeps pointing out, new coaches will still have to deal with the cattle.
This would should have been cauterised after Irealnd 3,a nd everyone would be moving forward. Someone used the word 'dithering' in another thread - sums up NZR beautifully.
It's totally not just foster, but he's exacerbating all our problems. Cos he's a nice bloke in a cut throat environment, a smiling buffoon who spouts platitudes, the most dangerous of leaders - one who can't see their own inadequacies
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@nzzp said in All Black pack:
@Chris said in All Black pack:
How many more do we use everyone in SR Yet the one consistent in this is Foster and he stays.
I have another read on this, which is that Super is no longer preparing people for Test rugby. It used to - we had a conveyor belt of talent. Now, not so much ... the questions are different, and players that shine in Super just dno't easily transfer the form to Tests. I think part of this is due to the coaching exodus, just not preparing players or lifting quality well enough. Or playing SA sides regularly too (although that's my hill to die on).
That's not on Foster. The crappy game plan and selections are on him, but the lack of world class players are not. That said, I think some of those players could be there or thereabouts - bu tthey need the environment, prep and coaching to get there, as well as a coherent game plan.
I tend to agree. Could Rangi stop the Blues from having a final meltdown? Could he get BB playing the type of test rugby game that he needed to? He's a good coach. Our players think they are better than they are frankly, and some of our coaches buy into that.
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@nzzp said in All Black pack:
@Chris said in All Black pack:
How many more do we use everyone in SR Yet the one consistent in this is Foster and he stays.
I have another read on this, which is that Super is no longer preparing people for Test rugby. It used to - we had a conveyor belt of talent. Now, not so much ... the questions are different, and players that shine in Super just dno't easily transfer the form to Tests. I think part of this is due to the coaching exodus, just not preparing players or lifting quality well enough. Or playing SA sides regularly too (although that's my hill to die on).
Yeah, reckon that's been the case for nearly a decade but it was papered over by an exceptional cohort of players that has gradually retired or hung around too long.
So exceptional selection and coaching skill more critical than ever.
The media circle jerk over Super Rugby Aoteoroa as "the toughest rugby competition in the world" a couple of years was laughable, and a lot of the NZ rugby public still buy into that perception. This morning I've seen people seriously suggesting selecting players from NPC.
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@Crucial said in All Black pack:
@nzzp said in All Black pack:
@Chris said in All Black pack:
How many more do we use everyone in SR Yet the one consistent in this is Foster and he stays.
I have another read on this, which is that Super is no longer preparing people for Test rugby. It used to - we had a conveyor belt of talent. Now, not so much ... the questions are different, and players that shine in Super just dno't easily transfer the form to Tests. I think part of this is due to the coaching exodus, just not preparing players or lifting quality well enough. Or playing SA sides regularly too (although that's my hill to die on).
That's not on Foster. The crappy game plan and selections are on him, but the lack of world class players are not. That said, I think some of those players could be there or thereabouts - bu tthey need the environment, prep and coaching to get there, as well as a coherent game plan.
I tend to agree. Could Rangi stop the Blues from having a final meltdown? Could he get BB playing the type of test rugby game that he needed to? He's a good coach. Our players think they are better than they are frankly, and some of our coaches buy into that.
On the flip side of that ,Robertson prepared a team with a great game plan and tactics,Motivated them to buy into it and execute to win the SR final away from home.
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@BartMan remember when they cut to Coles on the sideline. He said we needed to clean up our infringements and keep up the intensity and the opportunities would come. Then we subbed our entire front row, gave away possession and penalties and other errors crept in.
Sigh.
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@Crucial said in All Black pack:
@nzzp said in All Black pack:
@Chris said in All Black pack:
How many more do we use everyone in SR Yet the one consistent in this is Foster and he stays.
I have another read on this, which is that Super is no longer preparing people for Test rugby. It used to - we had a conveyor belt of talent. Now, not so much ... the questions are different, and players that shine in Super just dno't easily transfer the form to Tests. I think part of this is due to the coaching exodus, just not preparing players or lifting quality well enough. Or playing SA sides regularly too (although that's my hill to die on).
That's not on Foster. The crappy game plan and selections are on him, but the lack of world class players are not. That said, I think some of those players could be there or thereabouts - bu tthey need the environment, prep and coaching to get there, as well as a coherent game plan.
I tend to agree. Could Rangi stop the Blues from having a final meltdown? Could he get BB playing the type of test rugby game that he needed to? He's a good coach. Our players think they are better than they are frankly, and some of our coaches buy into that.
Someone mentioned in the game thread, I think, about how many player's we'd want from SA or Arg - not many! Really bollox, I'd take a lot of boks, and an Puma or two. Sami and Ardie are our only really top class players. Ioane could be, but he's not world class in the centres. Whitelock is good in the lineout. Ummmm. That's about it in a world 23. But Most countries have similar, just a handful that would be in a world 23. But their coaches use what they have so much better
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@Machpants said in All Black pack:
@Crucial said in All Black pack:
@nzzp said in All Black pack:
@Chris said in All Black pack:
How many more do we use everyone in SR Yet the one consistent in this is Foster and he stays.
I have another read on this, which is that Super is no longer preparing people for Test rugby. It used to - we had a conveyor belt of talent. Now, not so much ... the questions are different, and players that shine in Super just dno't easily transfer the form to Tests. I think part of this is due to the coaching exodus, just not preparing players or lifting quality well enough. Or playing SA sides regularly too (although that's my hill to die on).
That's not on Foster. The crappy game plan and selections are on him, but the lack of world class players are not. That said, I think some of those players could be there or thereabouts - bu tthey need the environment, prep and coaching to get there, as well as a coherent game plan.
I tend to agree. Could Rangi stop the Blues from having a final meltdown? Could he get BB playing the type of test rugby game that he needed to? He's a good coach. Our players think they are better than they are frankly, and some of our coaches buy into that.
Someone mentioned in the game thread, I think, about how many player's we'd want from SA or Arg - not many! Really bollox, I'd take a lot of boks, and an Puma or two. Sami and Ardie are our only really top class players. Ioane could be, but he's not world class in the centres. Whitelock is good in the lineout. Ummmm. That's about it in a world 23. But Most countries have similar, just a handful that would be in a world 23. But their coaches use what they have so much better
Has anyone reached Sean Fitzpatrick for comments on this ?
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@Machpants said in All Black pack:
@Crucial said in All Black pack:
@nzzp said in All Black pack:
@Chris said in All Black pack:
How many more do we use everyone in SR Yet the one consistent in this is Foster and he stays.
I have another read on this, which is that Super is no longer preparing people for Test rugby. It used to - we had a conveyor belt of talent. Now, not so much ... the questions are different, and players that shine in Super just dno't easily transfer the form to Tests. I think part of this is due to the coaching exodus, just not preparing players or lifting quality well enough. Or playing SA sides regularly too (although that's my hill to die on).
That's not on Foster. The crappy game plan and selections are on him, but the lack of world class players are not. That said, I think some of those players could be there or thereabouts - bu tthey need the environment, prep and coaching to get there, as well as a coherent game plan.
I tend to agree. Could Rangi stop the Blues from having a final meltdown? Could he get BB playing the type of test rugby game that he needed to? He's a good coach. Our players think they are better than they are frankly, and some of our coaches buy into that.
Someone mentioned in the game thread, I think, about how many player's we'd want from SA or Arg - not many! Really bollox, I'd take a lot of boks, and an Puma or two. Sami and Ardie are our only really top class players. Ioane could be, but he's not world class in the centres. Whitelock is good in the lineout. Ummmm. That's about it in a world 23. But Most countries have similar, just a handful that would be in a world 23. But their coaches use what they have so much better
Something else that isn't helping is that we aren't able to get a decent lead in a game to give the next tier game time. How is Vai'i going to get to be a test lock without playing? Sotutu? Dalton P?
We have seen Taylor fall off a cliff and Coles slide down down it. That could happen with Whitelock and some will argue that it has already started with BBBR.
