Foster, Robertson etc
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@Victor-Meldrew I'm not sure, probably the same one the press was playing eh! Why didn't you quote what he said in the post game interview, you know, the bit I'm mainly referencing?
Can't find it, sadly, but it was referenced by the media: link
All Blacks coach Ian Foster labels shock loss 'best performance of year'In a post-match interview on the pitch, Foster went further to claim this was the All Blacks' best performance of the year following the first home series defeat in 27 years against Ireland last month.
"We're bitterly disappointed but I felt it was our most improved performance this year," Foster said.
No need to point out the difference between the headline and what Foster actually said.
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@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Foster didn't like the popgun reference to the AB attack by Stuff. Fair play too, but for me because it was the wrong metaphor. Popguns still fire. Did not in SA test 1 and much of the Irish series-looked then like we learnt nothing from the RWC.
If he said they were on the right track after SA test 1 I could understand he is trying to delay public opinion swelling against him (esp if NZR had told him win 1 out of 2) but it was never going to work with the public-it just seems tone-deaf.
As to the fat references I have no idea anymore if/when it is serious.
What I do believe is that Foster does not want to say what Schmidt's role is regards his level of leadership, Razor won't accept assistant under Foster, and the NZR decision-making power is unclear - even if the chair announces the coach I think Robinson has big sway in the decision. The board just doesn't look like the true decision-makers to me and if they are I wish they had more coaching experience.I thought that the board endorses (or not) the recommendations of the CEO from the processes of the interview panel.
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@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Foster didn't like the popgun reference to the AB attack by Stuff. Fair play too, but for me because it was the wrong metaphor. Popguns still fire. Did not in SA test 1 and much of the Irish series-looked then like we learnt nothing from the RWC.
If he said they were on the right track after SA test 1 I could understand he is trying to delay public opinion swelling against him (esp if NZR had told him win 1 out of 2) but it was never going to work with the public-it just seems tone-deaf.
As to the fat references I have no idea anymore if/when it is serious.
What I do believe is that Foster does not want to say what Schmidt's role is regards his level of leadership, Razor won't accept assistant under Foster, and the NZR decision-making power is unclear - even if the chair announces the coach I think Robinson has big sway in the decision. The board just doesn't look like the true decision-makers to me and if they are I wish they had more coaching experience.I thought that the board endorses (or not) the recommendations of the CEO from the processes of the interview panel.
The Board uses the so-called experts advice and tells them if they are happy to support the decision.That happened this time, but previously the Board has interviewed the candidates as well
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Where's Razor
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This article has another dig at Plumtree and Mooar. The rest seems like poorly though out nonsense. I will post some
Starting with 5 Crusaders and adding a Crusaders front row to give 8 is hardly a Crusaders victory. But I guess Reason is only referring to the last 10 minutes
OK Richie replacing Barrett made a big difference. He was in a different league. But the other big improvement was at hooker where a Crusaders player was dropped to the reserves. But are Crusaders missing from leadership position. What about Whitelock. And Ryan? And most of the players mentioned were in Fosters stsating teams when available
But another dig at Plumtree
I know, I know, but it’s true. Last week I wrote how ironic it would be if coach Ian Foster turned to the Crusaders as his saviours. During his tenure he has consistently omitted them from leadership positions. So seven days ago I asked: what if the Crusaders became Foster’s only way out? Only one problem – that door should already be closed. It would be insane of the New Zealand Rugby board if they let Foster off the hook on the basis of 12 minutes of guts and brilliance by Scott Robertson’s men. This wasn’t Foster’s victory. This was a victory built in Crusader land as already referenced by my colleague Duncan Johnstone.and Richie Mo’unga, who had been ludicrously dumped for taking paternity leaveHaven't read this before
These are the sort of questions that should necessitate a change of coach. I understand that Foster’s current anger also extends to Brad Mooar and John Plumtree who he feels let him down and didn't put in the hard yards. But I’m sorry, these were his appointments. He has to take the responsibility.Didn't put in the hard yards. This means lazy. Also haven't read this before. Not just a poor coach but lazy too. I find this hard to believe. Did Reason just make this up or has he heard it from someone. And if so who. Plumtree (and Mooar) must be pissed to read this. Its destroying his reputation with little he can do to counter it
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I don't know about something special. Something expected from a team of this caliber? Yup.
I'd go wtih special - to get up at the end with 14 men at Ellis Park, at altitude was awesome.
But, I wanted to see this last year against France/Ireland, in Ireland 3 this year, and again in Bokke 1. One good game is not enough (but it's a damn good start)
Pedant alert - Beaudie came back on with 3 minutes to go 😉
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Ryan the saviour in more ways than one
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@Winger a great example why it pays to not read anything with a Reason byline.
Who says Whitelock is shut out of the leadership? It is pretty clear to me fro player quotes that Cane, Savea and Whitelock are currently the key leaders with input from B Barrett and Smith.
By coincidence (?) that looks very much like a senior leader from each franchise.Claiming Mounga was a huge difference in himself is an unknown. How would BB have coped behind the pack that was finally moving forward? We saw how much difference the forward play made to Smith's game.
I'm no great supporter of BB at 10 but mainly because he doesn't have the game without forward dominance (however small). I see the same in Mounga though. Both lack the ability to change up under pressure and play differently. As pointed out by others that game may also have been lost on the back of some poor Mounga decisions in our own half.One of Foster's failures in the recent run has been offering Taylor too many chances to come right yet somehow it was the Saders he turned to? In the front row it was the punt on the non-Saders that made a big difference.
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I thought that the board endorses (or not) the recommendations of the CEO from the processes of the interview panel.
The Board uses the so-called experts advice and tells them if they are happy to support the decision.My understanding as well but the key here is recommendations: Robinson seemed to be walking back from using this explicitly.
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Agree. edit But I hope they now give Richie the starting spot as my view is he offers more. But neither are a Carter
NZR have got themselves in a bind with Foster. A likely outcome was 1 all in SA. Robinson should always have given NZR the full series before a decision is made on Fosters future. Not just SA. As it is they now need to make a decision (as Robinson only endorsed Foster for the SA tests) before giving the new coaching team enough games to show what they can do
Maybe NZR should look at replacing Robinson not Foster. He seems to be struggling big time
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@nostrildamus said in Foster:
I thought that the board endorses (or not) the recommendations of the CEO from the processes of the interview panel.
The Board uses the so-called experts advice and tells them if they are happy to support the decision.My understanding as well but the key here is recommendations: Robinson seemed to be walking back from using this explicitly.
He is a big part of the problem right now
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@Machpants said in Foster:
It seems Kieran Read is saying some of the same things
Former All Blacks captain Kieran Read has lauded new forwards coach Jason Ryan and first-five Richie Mo’unga for New Zealand’s stunning turnaround win over the Springboks.
Saders eye patch still on!
Maybe but he knows both environments inside out
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@Machpants said in Foster:
It seems Kieran Read is saying some of the same things
Former All Blacks captain Kieran Read has lauded new forwards coach Jason Ryan and first-five Richie Mo’unga for New Zealand’s stunning turnaround win over the Springboks.
Saders eye patch still on!
Maybe but he knows both environments inside out
And the players.And the coaches.
Maybe he knows more than we do.Ryan seem to have made a huge difference. (But by only selecting 2 Crusaders forwards to start). But maybe wait a bit first to at least see how the next 2 tests go.
Richie. I would without a doubt rate him higher than BB. But was he so much better mainly due to the forwards stepping up. We might only know if the Argie forwards easily win the forward battle in the next 2 tests
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Ideal scenario - McLeod & Foster gone - as defense and attack major areas of concern structurally, Schmidt caretaker through till 2023 (for a Razor smooth transition in 2024), so in the meantime Razor appointed defense & breakdown coach (replacing McLeod), Leon backs, Ryan forwards.
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@kiwi_expat said in Foster:
Ideal scenario - McLeod & Foster gone, Schmidt caretaker through till 2023 (for a Razor smooth transition in 2024), Razor appointed defense & breakdown coach (replacing McLeod), Leon backs, Ryan forwards.
I don't think Razor would want to be an assistant. He could likely get a status head coaching job elsewhere.
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@Winger there's limited time until the world cup, so chuck joe the reigns for the short-term, use his experience to polish up the edges and hand over Razor an All Blacks team in a better state compared to after Foster, I'd honestly just give Robertson a total clean-slate to enable him to best succeed post World Cup.
Allows him to plan for the 2024-2027 world cup cycle in advance.
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