All Blacks v Pumas 1

[Bones]

@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@broughie said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@ACT-Crusader The primary reason why the backs played so much better is that we had a competitive forward pack on Saturday which has been the problem all along. I might even accept Havilli at 2nd five if he is not on the back foot all the time.

I'd say a primary reason was we played with depth so we could better attack from too. It enabled us to better manage the rush defence which the Boks centre their defence and attack off. Plus having a 1st 5 that has an intent to attack and set his outsides (and the odd Bok ) up was integral to that.

I thought the depth in our attack was a big factor in Rieko looking so dangerous all game. Do you think that was down to RM starting at 10 or a different game plan? It just seems so silly for BB to always play so flat when it's his running game that is his biggest strength. When he's able to get a head of steam up before getting to the defensive line he puts the opposition in two minds and becomes so much more effective.

Pretty hard to say off the one game, but the difference was RM actually feeding those in space, rather than a panicked shovel or hold.

Beauds used to rely on pace off the mark a lot, I haven't seen evidence he's still got it, almost looks injured. That break he made in the first test looked like he was running in treacle, very unlike him.

[MN5]

@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@Duluth pretty sweet backline there.

and Ennor......

Gets a new lease of life at fullback.

Robbie Henshaw would be laughing at this if he was on the fern

[Bones]

@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@Duluth pretty sweet backline there.

and Ennor......

Gets a new lease of life at fullback.

Robbie Henshaw would be laughing at this if he was on the fern

You're a dick Robbie

[SBW1]

@pakman said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@Duluth said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

The list of players released for the NPC probably hints at the selections for this game:

Counties Manukau: Nepo Laulala, Dalton Papalii, Hoskins Sotutu
Taranaki: Stephen Perofeta
Canterbury: Braydon Ennor
Northland: Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Jack Goodhue
Wellington: Dane Coles
Ta$man: Leicester Fainga'anuku, Sevu Reece
Otago: Josh Dickson
Auckland: Roger Tuivasa-Sheck
Bay of Plenty: Aidan Ross
Hawke’s Bay: Folau Fakatava

So no player from the 23 that played SA is released. So maybe a similar 23 vs Argentina?

I think the only players who didn't play in the weekend that weren't released are Ta'avao and Tuipulotu. Are there any injuries? Perhaps Whitelock is getting a rest?

I think Coles was only one who played in SA. I suspect more about blowing off some rust and having full squad available for P1.

No commentary regarding Patty
Wonder when ALB gets some game time again, supposed to be back from his injury around October.

[MiketheSnow]

@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@broughie said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@ACT-Crusader The primary reason why the backs played so much better is that we had a competitive forward pack on Saturday which has been the problem all along. I might even accept Havilli at 2nd five if he is not on the back foot all the time.

I'd say a primary reason was we played with depth so we could better attack from too. It enabled us to better manage the rush defence which the Boks centre their defence and attack off. Plus having a 1st 5 that has an intent to attack and set his outsides (and the odd Bok ) up was integral to that.

I thought the depth in our attack was a big factor in Rieko looking so dangerous all game. Do you think that was down to RM starting at 10 or a different game plan? It just seems so silly for BB to always play so flat when it's his running game that is his biggest strength. When he's able to get a head of steam up before getting to the defensive line he puts the opposition in two minds and becomes so much more effective.

Pretty hard to say off the one game, but the difference was RM actually feeding those in space, rather than a panicked shovel or hold.

Beauds used to rely on pace off the mark a lot, I haven't seen evidence he's still got it, almost looks injured. That break he made in the first test looked like he was running in treacle, very unlike him.

The video poster's premise is incorrect IMHO

This was posted to demonstrate that it wasn't all sunshine & lollipops for RM

[Bones]

@MiketheSnow huh? A ref ignores a textbook example of no release after a ten under pressure does what every ten should and cranks the ball up into the middle of his forwards and that's an example of RM poor play?

Like I said, I'll happily take rocks and diamonds at the moment, over rocks, slightly different rocks and a can of coke.

And no I don't think the sun shines out of his arse.

[MajorRage]

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@broughie said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@ACT-Crusader The primary reason why the backs played so much better is that we had a competitive forward pack on Saturday which has been the problem all along. I might even accept Havilli at 2nd five if he is not on the back foot all the time.

I'd say a primary reason was we played with depth so we could better attack from too. It enabled us to better manage the rush defence which the Boks centre their defence and attack off. Plus having a 1st 5 that has an intent to attack and set his outsides (and the odd Bok ) up was integral to that.

I thought the depth in our attack was a big factor in Rieko looking so dangerous all game. Do you think that was down to RM starting at 10 or a different game plan? It just seems so silly for BB to always play so flat when it's his running game that is his biggest strength. When he's able to get a head of steam up before getting to the defensive line he puts the opposition in two minds and becomes so much more effective.

Pretty hard to say off the one game, but the difference was RM actually feeding those in space, rather than a panicked shovel or hold.

Beauds used to rely on pace off the mark a lot, I haven't seen evidence he's still got it, almost looks injured. That break he made in the first test looked like he was running in treacle, very unlike him.

The video poster's premise is incorrect IMHO

This was posted to demonstrate that it wasn't all sunshine & lollipops for RM

Has anybody said that RM didn't make any mistakes?

I'm not sure of the drum you are banging here to be honest. I think he played well, I think he was far from perfect, and I think the backline functioned much better with him running the cutter as opposed to BB.

NZ will never ever have a perfect game managing 10 as long as we get our 10's from super rugby. It's just the way it is.

[nostrildamus]

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@broughie said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@ACT-Crusader The primary reason why the backs played so much better is that we had a competitive forward pack on Saturday which has been the problem all along. I might even accept Havilli at 2nd five if he is not on the back foot all the time.

I'd say a primary reason was we played with depth so we could better attack from too. It enabled us to better manage the rush defence which the Boks centre their defence and attack off. Plus having a 1st 5 that has an intent to attack and set his outsides (and the odd Bok ) up was integral to that.

I thought the depth in our attack was a big factor in Rieko looking so dangerous all game. Do you think that was down to RM starting at 10 or a different game plan? It just seems so silly for BB to always play so flat when it's his running game that is his biggest strength. When he's able to get a head of steam up before getting to the defensive line he puts the opposition in two minds and becomes so much more effective.

Pretty hard to say off the one game, but the difference was RM actually feeding those in space, rather than a panicked shovel or hold.

Beauds used to rely on pace off the mark a lot, I haven't seen evidence he's still got it, almost looks injured. That break he made in the first test looked like he was running in treacle, very unlike him.

The video poster's premise is incorrect IMHO

This was posted to demonstrate that it wasn't all sunshine & lollipops for RM

I'm sorry Mike

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@broughie said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@ACT-Crusader The primary reason why the backs played so much better is that we had a competitive forward pack on Saturday which has been the problem all along. I might even accept Havilli at 2nd five if he is not on the back foot all the time.

I'd say a primary reason was we played with depth so we could better attack from too. It enabled us to better manage the rush defence which the Boks centre their defence and attack off. Plus having a 1st 5 that has an intent to attack and set his outsides (and the odd Bok ) up was integral to that.

I thought the depth in our attack was a big factor in Rieko looking so dangerous all game. Do you think that was down to RM starting at 10 or a different game plan? It just seems so silly for BB to always play so flat when it's his running game that is his biggest strength. When he's able to get a head of steam up before getting to the defensive line he puts the opposition in two minds and becomes so much more effective.

Pretty hard to say off the one game, but the difference was RM actually feeding those in space, rather than a panicked shovel or hold.

Beauds used to rely on pace off the mark a lot, I haven't seen evidence he's still got it, almost looks injured. That break he made in the first test looked like he was running in treacle, very unlike him.

The video poster's premise is incorrect IMHO

This was posted to demonstrate that it wasn't all sunshine & lollipops for RM

I am sorry Mike but the earth has been shaken to its core - I agree with Bones.
Richie might have done some flakey and headless chicken in the headlights stuff but I thought our backline was far better, faster, more decisive, it just flowed better.

BB hasn't grown to boss a game or marshall his troops-at least not that I have seen. And he has had quite a few years and coaches to learn to do so. Still greatly gifted, I just don't think he has all the 10's virtues.

[Bones]

@nostrildamus the other thing to bear in mind is this was RMs first start in.... how long? After generally having to come on and play catch up in quite a different atmosphere.

I wouldn't bet the house against him falling back to previous standards in the next game, but I'm extremely enthusiastic to see if he can perform again - what's to lose?

[nostrildamus]

@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@nostrildamus the other thing to bear in mind is this was RMs first start in.... how long? After generally having to come on and play catch up in quite a different atmosphere.

I wouldn't bet the house against him falling back to previous standards in the next game, but I'm extremely enthusiastic to see if he can perform again - what's to lose?

Yes, and I could be shot down here, but even when the forwards have been playing well BB hasn't always played well at 10. Undervalued defensively by some, can still do freakish things, but the backline stutters. We have to give Richie more test experience (and find a 3rd or even 4th backup 10 for the RWC).

[Frye]

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@broughie said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@ACT-Crusader The primary reason why the backs played so much better is that we had a competitive forward pack on Saturday which has been the problem all along. I might even accept Havilli at 2nd five if he is not on the back foot all the time.

I'd say a primary reason was we played with depth so we could better attack from too. It enabled us to better manage the rush defence which the Boks centre their defence and attack off. Plus having a 1st 5 that has an intent to attack and set his outsides (and the odd Bok ) up was integral to that.

I thought the depth in our attack was a big factor in Rieko looking so dangerous all game. Do you think that was down to RM starting at 10 or a different game plan? It just seems so silly for BB to always play so flat when it's his running game that is his biggest strength. When he's able to get a head of steam up before getting to the defensive line he puts the opposition in two minds and becomes so much more effective.

Pretty hard to say off the one game, but the difference was RM actually feeding those in space, rather than a panicked shovel or hold.

Beauds used to rely on pace off the mark a lot, I haven't seen evidence he's still got it, almost looks injured. That break he made in the first test looked like he was running in treacle, very unlike him.

The video poster's premise is incorrect IMHO

This was posted to demonstrate that it wasn't all sunshine & lollipops for RM

You probably should watch that video the whole way through. It was highlighting PSDT's illegal action that allowed Marx the opportunity to win the turnover.

[MiketheSnow]

@Frye said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@broughie said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@ACT-Crusader The primary reason why the backs played so much better is that we had a competitive forward pack on Saturday which has been the problem all along. I might even accept Havilli at 2nd five if he is not on the back foot all the time.

I'd say a primary reason was we played with depth so we could better attack from too. It enabled us to better manage the rush defence which the Boks centre their defence and attack off. Plus having a 1st 5 that has an intent to attack and set his outsides (and the odd Bok ) up was integral to that.

I thought the depth in our attack was a big factor in Rieko looking so dangerous all game. Do you think that was down to RM starting at 10 or a different game plan? It just seems so silly for BB to always play so flat when it's his running game that is his biggest strength. When he's able to get a head of steam up before getting to the defensive line he puts the opposition in two minds and becomes so much more effective.

Pretty hard to say off the one game, but the difference was RM actually feeding those in space, rather than a panicked shovel or hold.

Beauds used to rely on pace off the mark a lot, I haven't seen evidence he's still got it, almost looks injured. That break he made in the first test looked like he was running in treacle, very unlike him.

The video poster's premise is incorrect IMHO

This was posted to demonstrate that it wasn't all sunshine & lollipops for RM

You probably should watch that video the whole way through. It was highlighting PSDT's illegal action that allowed Marx the opportunity to win the turnover.

I watched it

PSDT completed the tackle

Marx turned the ball over

Correct reffing IMHO

[Bones]

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@Frye said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@broughie said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@ACT-Crusader The primary reason why the backs played so much better is that we had a competitive forward pack on Saturday which has been the problem all along. I might even accept Havilli at 2nd five if he is not on the back foot all the time.

I'd say a primary reason was we played with depth so we could better attack from too. It enabled us to better manage the rush defence which the Boks centre their defence and attack off. Plus having a 1st 5 that has an intent to attack and set his outsides (and the odd Bok ) up was integral to that.

I thought the depth in our attack was a big factor in Rieko looking so dangerous all game. Do you think that was down to RM starting at 10 or a different game plan? It just seems so silly for BB to always play so flat when it's his running game that is his biggest strength. When he's able to get a head of steam up before getting to the defensive line he puts the opposition in two minds and becomes so much more effective.

Pretty hard to say off the one game, but the difference was RM actually feeding those in space, rather than a panicked shovel or hold.

Beauds used to rely on pace off the mark a lot, I haven't seen evidence he's still got it, almost looks injured. That break he made in the first test looked like he was running in treacle, very unlike him.

The video poster's premise is incorrect IMHO

This was posted to demonstrate that it wasn't all sunshine & lollipops for RM

You probably should watch that video the whole way through. It was highlighting PSDT's illegal action that allowed Marx the opportunity to win the turnover.

I watched it

PSDT completed the tackle

Marx turned the ball over

Correct reffing IMHO

Pick up your game buddy!

[pakman]

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@broughie said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@ACT-Crusader The primary reason why the backs played so much better is that we had a competitive forward pack on Saturday which has been the problem all along. I might even accept Havilli at 2nd five if he is not on the back foot all the time.

I'd say a primary reason was we played with depth so we could better attack from too. It enabled us to better manage the rush defence which the Boks centre their defence and attack off. Plus having a 1st 5 that has an intent to attack and set his outsides (and the odd Bok ) up was integral to that.

I thought the depth in our attack was a big factor in Rieko looking so dangerous all game. Do you think that was down to RM starting at 10 or a different game plan? It just seems so silly for BB to always play so flat when it's his running game that is his biggest strength. When he's able to get a head of steam up before getting to the defensive line he puts the opposition in two minds and becomes so much more effective.

Pretty hard to say off the one game, but the difference was RM actually feeding those in space, rather than a panicked shovel or hold.

Beauds used to rely on pace off the mark a lot, I haven't seen evidence he's still got it, almost looks injured. That break he made in the first test looked like he was running in treacle, very unlike him.

The video poster's premise is incorrect IMHO

This was posted to demonstrate that it wasn't all sunshine & lollipops for RM

That PSDT non-release MM pilfer combo is same idea as key incorrect AG penalty against Ta'avao in Bok1, which BTW was a gimme 3 for Jordie.

[Dan54]

@Nepia said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

I think the biggest issue facing The Fern around Frizell's selection is working out if Frizzel is spelt with two Zs and one L, or one Z and two Ls or two Zs and two Ls. However, we can probably be certain Frizel is not spelt with one Z and one L.

When has the Fern ever cared about how to spell names? I doubt Messam and Weber have ever had their names spelt correctly for two posts in a row.

Anyway just as easy to call him Shannon, the shittiest town in one of the shittiest province, it's very apt.

Hey hey Nepia, thems fighting words!! The mighty Nua cannot be called a shitty province in my hearing (or reading) without some comeback , and funnily enough I have even considered looking at buying a house in Shannon when I head back down that way, I personally wouldn't of considered it 20 years ago, but place is not bad at all now!

[Crucial]

@Dan54 funny, I always thought of Shannon as being in the Poo.

[Nepia]

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@Dan54 funny, I always thought of Shannon as being in the Poo.

So did I, hence my comment ... if it's in the Nua then I apologise @Dan54.

[Dan54]

@Nepia said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@Dan54 funny, I always thought of Shannon as being in the Poo.

So did I, hence my comment ... if it's in the Nua then I apologise @Dan54.

Whew ,I don't have to go looking for my club, and come hunting (while making sure I never found you lol)..

[Crucial]

@Nepia said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@Dan54 funny, I always thought of Shannon as being in the Poo.

So did I, hence my comment ... if it's in the Nua then I apologise @Dan54.

It's still in the flax swamp though.

[Nepia]

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@Nepia said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

@Dan54 funny, I always thought of Shannon as being in the Poo.

So did I, hence my comment ... if it's in the Nua then I apologise @Dan54.

It's still in the flax swamp though.

Wiki list it as in the Poo-Wanganui region so close enough.