Springboks v All Blacks 2
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@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Yeah kudos to the players and coaches, a gazillion times better than our other win this year and I really didn't think they had it in them.
I'm left with this niggling thought though.... just where was that desire, drive and want the last half a dozen tests?
Probably there but with a collective loss of confidence & too much pressure. Maybe Havili's kick in the first minute set the scene and gave them some confidence early on.
Only one game though and we've been here before. Pumas will be a stiff Test as they seem to tearing the Wobblies a new tonight.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Yeah kudos to the players and coaches, a gazillion times better than our other win this year and I really didn't think they had it in them.
I'm left with this niggling thought though.... just where was that desire, drive and want the last half a dozen tests?
Probably there but with a collective loss of confidence & too much pressure. Maybe Havili's kick in the first minute set the scene and gave them some confidence early on.
Only one game though and we've been here before. Pumas will be a stiff Test as they seem to tearing the Wobblies a new tonight.
The manner of the win was light years away from anything else.
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@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Yeah kudos to the players and coaches, a gazillion times better than our other win this year and I really didn't think they had it in them.
I'm left with this niggling thought though.... just where was that desire, drive and want the last half a dozen tests?
Probably there but with a collective loss of confidence & too much pressure. Maybe Havili's kick in the first minute set the scene and gave them some confidence early on.
Only one game though and we've been here before. Pumas will be a stiff Test as they seem to tearing the Wobblies a new tonight.
The manner of the win was light years away from anything else.
Yeah. Some real dog on show and improvements all over the park. Forwards, attack and defence all way better. Real "monkey off the back" win. Fingers crossed they can build on that against what looks a good Argie side.
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Fozzie did say he felt something special was brewing.
I wouldn't go as fast as saying that was a special performance except in the context of the last 5 weeks.
That, to me was more reminiscent of an AB performance bouncing back after a loss.
Were patches where the ghosts of the past couple of months returned, but by and large, one of the better 80 mins of the past couple of years.
Will it be a stay of execution for Fozzie, who knows, but if he and his coaching team can get a forward performance like that more often, we might just start that climb back toward #1
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@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Fozzie did say he felt something special was brewing.
I wouldn't go as fast as saying that was a special performance except in the context of the last 5 weeks.
That, to me was more reminiscent of an AB performance bouncing back after a loss.
Were patches where the ghosts of the past couple of months returned, but by and large, one of the better 80 mins of the past couple of years.
Will it be a stay of execution for Fozzie, who knows, but if he and his coaching team can get a forward performance like that more often, we might just start that climb back toward #1
ABs didn't bounce back against France after loss to Ireland last Nov. They didn't bounce back after loss to Ireland in Test 2 of series.
This is the first time they have bounced back. Difference? Plumtree out, Ryan in. A more simplified game plan. And a desire on show that has been missing. Question is, is Foster capable of getting this performance out of the players consistently? If answer is no, he needs to move on. The players are there.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Yeah kudos to the players and coaches, a gazillion times better than our other win this year and I really didn't think they had it in them.
I'm left with this niggling thought though.... just where was that desire, drive and want the last half a dozen tests?
Probably there but with a collective loss of confidence & too much pressure. Maybe Havili's kick in the first minute set the scene and gave them some confidence early on.
Only one game though and we've been here before. Pumas will be a stiff Test as they seem to tearing the Wobblies a new tonight.
The manner of the win was light years away from anything else.
Yeah. Some real dog on show and improvements all over the park. Forwards, attack and defence all way better. Real "monkey off the back" win. Fingers crossed they can build on that against what looks a good Argie side.
Should be no shortage of motivation. Cheika is coach 😁
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@Daffy-Jaffy I watched with SA commentary - they were pretty good, very even handed.
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@MajorRage said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Daffy-Jaffy I watched with SA commentary - they were pretty good, very even handed.
Normally are, until Stransky comes on 🤣
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Fozzie did say he felt something special was brewing.
I wouldn't go as fast as saying that was a special performance except in the context of the last 5 weeks.
That, to me was more reminiscent of an AB performance bouncing back after a loss.
Were patches where the ghosts of the past couple of months returned, but by and large, one of the better 80 mins of the past couple of years.
Will it be a stay of execution for Fozzie, who knows, but if he and his coaching team can get a forward performance like that more often, we might just start that climb back toward #1
ABs didn't bounce back against France after loss to Ireland last Nov. They didn't bounce back after loss to Ireland in Test 2 of series.
This is the first time they have bounced back. Difference? Plumtree out, Ryan in. A more simplified game plan. And a desire on show that has been missing. Question is, is Foster capable of getting this performance out of the players consistently? If answer is no, he needs to move on. The players are there.
Well, I hope so, but one swallow a summer doth not make. It was interesting to hear the players keep saying "it's disappointing as it's almost there" for the last few Tests but it definitely was there today so hopefully the mojo is back.
Perhaps it was the coaching changes - Ryan with the forwards and Foster doing attack - but the D was way better too so perhaps it gelled together.
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@MajorRage said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Daffy-Jaffy I watched with SA commentary - they were pretty good, very even handed.
Agreed. I generally like the Saffa commentary and Stransky is great as the comment bloke. Very fair and knowledgeable
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@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Fozzie did say he felt something special was brewing.
I wouldn't go as fast as saying that was a special performance except in the context of the last 5 weeks.
That, to me was more reminiscent of an AB performance bouncing back after a loss.
Were patches where the ghosts of the past couple of months returned, but by and large, one of the better 80 mins of the past couple of years.
Will it be a stay of execution for Fozzie, who knows, but if he and his coaching team can get a forward performance like that more often, we might just start that climb back toward #1
Already have ... up to 4th ...
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Fozzie did say he felt something special was brewing.
I wouldn't go as fast as saying that was a special performance except in the context of the last 5 weeks.
That, to me was more reminiscent of an AB performance bouncing back after a loss.
Were patches where the ghosts of the past couple of months returned, but by and large, one of the better 80 mins of the past couple of years.
Will it be a stay of execution for Fozzie, who knows, but if he and his coaching team can get a forward performance like that more often, we might just start that climb back toward #1
ABs didn't bounce back against France after loss to Ireland last Nov. They didn't bounce back after loss to Ireland in Test 2 of series.
This is the first time they have bounced back. Difference? Plumtree out, Ryan in. A more simplified game plan. And a desire on show that has been missing. Question is, is Foster capable of getting this performance out of the players consistently? If answer is no, he needs to move on. The players are there.
Well, I hope so, but one swallow a summer doth not make. It was interesting to hear the players keep saying "it's disappointing as it's almost there" for the last few Tests but it definitely was there today so hopefully the mojo is back.
Perhaps it was the coaching changes - Ryan with the forwards and Foster doing attack - but the D was way better too so perhaps it gelled together.
You know? It almost wasn't.
Those buggers had the lead after trailing by 15. With bugger all of the game left.
We played well and deserved to win, but the margins are fine.
Could have won Ireland 2 & 3. Could have lost this morning.
Would have painted a whole different picture.
Just saying I think we can read too much into either result, and react to the extremes when it's more likely somewhere in the middle. Pretty sure we've done a bit of that recently.
Trying not to sound glass half empty, as the shape of the win is about our best since 2019.
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Does anyone have a spare house they don’t need? Because I bet my house on us losing.
It was a bit of a cripple fight but the lads clearly don’t have anything against Foster as the win keeps him alive for now.
We were more direct and Mounga was much better than barrett has been, especially with the boot.
That should be the end of laulala and the like as the young pup props were generally pretty good.
The maligned players like cane, frizzell and ioane went pretty ok.
I’m not taking anything other than the win out of this. If foster thinks hes secured his spot he can dream on for the moment.
Finally, WTF was up with the camera work. Dreadful.
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Interesting game but not perfect.
Still some poor options from our 22. Both Mounga and Havili guilty but have to say that Mounga’s better kicking game gave us a lot more territory and generally he was quite good. Havili gives us a good kicking game from second five but plays too foot loose and fancy free for me for a 2nd five in tests. Really liked Reiko on the wing. He is a better player than before and out wide where he will get space he was great.
Forwards went a lot better. Scrum solid, and props mobile but lineout steals made a huge difference.
The balance in the loose forwards is interesting. What do we want our 7 doing - smashing runners in tackles ( more Cane type player, though not sure he does that as much ) or winning turnovers, running, linking as Savea does? Savea is better player and probably should be the open side, allowing us to have tighter 6,8. Big bodies are important but is Shannon Frizzell the answer? Would have to watch him closely.
Didn’t see ref applying the rule we players leaning over and putting hands on ground before trying to steal the ball? Helps them win the space at ruck time so would like to see that rule policed.
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@booboo said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@booboo adding a picture to a booboo is still a booboo.
You hadn't posted when I went looking for the screenshot. Doesn't count.
12 minutes?
