Springboks v All Blacks I
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@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@98blueandgold said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
I actually feel bad for players, nobody wants to feel the way they do. Some good stuff there but we are a side who clearly doesn’t have a DNA. SA, Ireland, France even Aussie have a clear plan and looked connected, us we look like we are searching and play with little confidence on attack which puts our basic skills (catch pass and breakdown) under pressure. We need our plan to suit the players we have, I think there are elements where we are copying others (yes the ABs are not the leaders of innovation!) not gonna bag players but we need guys who are smart when we don’t have the ball, again hate comparisons but Conrad Smith was awesome without the ball. I feel with our plan we can be one-trick- ponies out wide.. my issue is I have no confidence that this will change, it’s been a long time since we have looked cohesive
I seen Rieko catch a pass around 60 minutes and I thought Jesus , I forgot he was playing.
The 23 is something you would select when you are 14. Picking all the fast lads .
This team lacks Ben from accounts, Crotty's, Conrads, Franks brothers. Nuts and bolts. Hang your hat on them players.
This team isn't even doing the simple stuff well. Never mind the razzle dazzle.
Rieko has been really poor in last three matches. Some shocking bad choices in both defense and attack against Irish, and no sense of structured attack here.
Good for Blues, so what's missing: a physical 12 to vary the threat/create some room?
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Just got up ,hardly surprised by this result , confidence is an amazing thing and i believe most of that confidence had been sucked out of this All Black team after the Irish series.
Probably , not a bad thing hopefully the catalyst for change in and around the coach and the skipper .
Dont get me wrong still want see the ABs do well, but this team is in freefall. -
Awesome Silverlake timing
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All Blacks terrible again and absolutely deserved to lose. But the Boks tactics at the high ball all game lead to the Barrett incident at the end. They have clearly been coached to jump for the high ball with the intent to knock the opposition out of the way and the officials let them away with it. And the end result was the red card incident.
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@Stag said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
All Blacks terrible again and absolutely deserved to lose. But the Boks tactics at the high ball all game lead to the Barrett incident at the end. They have clearly been coached to jump for the high ball with the intent to knock the opposition out of the way and the officials let them away with it. And the end result was the red card incident.
I don't think the Bok player jumped to be fair.
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@BerniesCorner a phone call from them might be helpful right know.
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@Stag said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
All Blacks terrible again and absolutely deserved to lose. But the Boks tactics at the high ball all game lead to the Barrett incident at the end. They have clearly been coached to jump for the high ball with the intent to knock the opposition out of the way and the officials let them away with it. And the end result was the red card incident.
They've been doing it for years. At least Habana used to put his hand up at least when jumping.
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@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Stag said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
All Blacks terrible again and absolutely deserved to lose. But the Boks tactics at the high ball all game lead to the Barrett incident at the end. They have clearly been coached to jump for the high ball with the intent to knock the opposition out of the way and the officials let them away with it. And the end result was the red card incident.
I don't think the Bok player jumped to be fair.
The replay showed the Bok player left his feet
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Putting aside the issue of clean out (and not to in any way ignore its significance), apart from a stand out effort from Marx, AB forwards stood up well to comparison.
I thought our locks shaded it. Props so so, but Bok props tailed off after first scrum. PSDT very muted, and Wiese ineffective. Even Kolisi didn't for me outshine Cane.
The backs were the difference, even though Bok backs individually very meh. They had a clear plan to kick most of the time, and with our contesting being pants there was no reason to stop. Probably responsible for the win.
As for AB backs, to me they just seem muddled. Couldn't identify a focus on breaking on inside or to the outside.
If Jordan was a racehorse I'd suspect doping.
Jordie seems well off Super form. Richie seems to have the best boot at the mo.But at root, there is no discernible cohesion between 12 and 13. Compare Boks who have had same 10/12/13 for majority of games since 2019 RWC.
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@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Stag said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
All Blacks terrible again and absolutely deserved to lose. But the Boks tactics at the high ball all game lead to the Barrett incident at the end. They have clearly been coached to jump for the high ball with the intent to knock the opposition out of the way and the officials let them away with it. And the end result was the red card incident.
I don't think the Bok player jumped to be fair.
He did. He just didn't get any height because he got his takeoff point all wrong. That's what happens when you aren't looking at the ball and actually trying to contest.
He got away with one in first half against J Barrett. Watch it again. He didn't look at the ball at all. Just jumped to put off the AB catcher and interfere to force the knock on.
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@BerniesCorner said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Awesome Silverlake timing
Maybe the NZRU saw this coming, hence why the deal got forced through so quickly 😉
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@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Bundee Aki currently loitering up in Ireland would walk into the team and he was a cast off about 8 years ago.
Hansen in his wisdom chose Francis Saili over him.... Saili wasn't even starting for the Blues at the time.....
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@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Bundee Aki currently loitering up in Ireland would walk into the team and he was a cast off about 8 years ago.
He wasn't good enough 8 years ago.
Question is, what happened with the development of NZ's midfield options in 8 years.
ALB and Goodbye have been injured, but where are the other options?
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Bundee Aki currently loitering up in Ireland would walk into the team and he was a cast off about 8 years ago.
He wasn't good enough 8 years ago.
Question is, what happened with the development of NZ's midfield options in 8 years.
ALB and Goodbye have been injured, but where are the other options?
In fact, it's hard not to believe that ALB and Jack would go a long way to putting this right. Once Jack injured the options were limited this time.
If one wants targets then U-Js are probably next cabs on rank.
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One thing I noticed is they are obviously got some issues with culture. Maybe I'm overstating it but after Ireland game we were not connected and together after the game or during it, this game there seemed to be an emphasis on celebrating say scrum wins, while after the game they came together for the huddle, incl all non-players. Issues maybe deep rooted. seemed a little forced from outside looking in. In comparison Sth Africa looked like they were best of
mates, lots of emotion, like Ireland... -
Brodie was missed big time in my book… but will take the win even after Gardner transgressions considered. We were flat mostly but powered through the time against some very flat AB play…. I kept waiting for the spark…Not sure Foster the only issue at the moment and thought Cane played out his skin. Ellis Park next week will hopefully not get too messy but both teams have loads to improve on-
