All Blacks vs Wales Test #2
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I do hope Savea gets back though in the medium term. He has far better core test skills than what Naholo has shown so far.
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<p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Calibri, Candara, Segoe, 'Segoe UI', Optima, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">"Jules didn't have one of his great games," coach Steve Hansen said. "There is a lot happening with Jules and we are working away quietly. We all know he has not had a great season and he is trying extremely hard here since he came in and has been great."We think taking him out of the pressure of having to play and continuing to keep him working on areas we want him to work on will mean he will benefit from that."</p>
<p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Calibri, Candara, Segoe, 'Segoe UI', Optima, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">When I read it, I thought they were talking about off-field stuff. May be fitness, may be other things, but either way he's not in good form. </p>
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<p>Maybe it is personal issues... or maybe they opened up a Carls Jr in his neighbourhood and it is equidistant with his KFC from his house . Such choice can be both distracting and overwhelming.</p>
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<p>My credibility is severely affected on here - only last week I boldly said Ben Smith would not start on the wing because he's the vice-captain and is too valuable to the team to be stranded on the wing.</p>
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<p>credibility is massively over-rated.</p>
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<p>Savea, while the one dropped, isn't miles behind Naholo i think. Naholo did a couple of very good things, mainly because he has mad wheels. He also did some really really ordinary things, and is yet to convince he belongs in my eyes. I still firmly believe Savea is the better player, albeit in worse form. </p>
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<p>Good side, i really hope Dagg continues his form from this year, a lot of good AB moments of the last 12 months have started from the back, and he needs to continue that. This will improve our kicking and kick-chase as though. </p> -
<p>I wonder if the desperation to get Naholo into the world cup was due to the selectors worries regarding J Sav? Also, I mentioned this in the match thread but did anyone else notice how much Savea seems to have slimmed down for the Welsh game?, to my eyes he no longer looks deserving of the 'fat' description (I had been drinking though so happy to be proved wrong). Maybe they've gone a bit too hard out on fat loss and that's affected other areas of his game. Getting one's head right is the hardest part though</p>
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<p>I read that first part at first as "if he can fit in the jersey"! Which could be an issue going forward also. NMS has one wing spot when fit, and Naholo is getting a crack now to make a statement. The backlog at 15 provides many less than ideal, but viable options in the back three. Next season we probably turn out another world beater.</p>
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<p>Lazy or not - 4-6 years seems to be the limit for those ultra-skilled outside backs so he is in the ballpark of being over anyway. In the pro era they lose a step either through injury, age or kidney issues and then it's all over very, very quickly. Of our truly classy wings/fullbacks only Howlett really had a graceful exit. Rok, Sivi, Jonah (obviously unique situation), Wilson, Cullen all were passed by the newer model - when 18 months earlier it would have been inconceivable.</p>
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<p>Good call. Julian Savea needs to fight hard or he'll be the feature subject of an "Exodus 2017" post after the Lions series.</p>
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<p>I'm not calling time on his test career but his head space seems to have seriously been affected in the last 18 months and his professionalism should be questioned. He was so-so to moderately good at RWC but in my mind it took a disproportionately high effort from the ABs management and staff to get him to that level. You have to question whether it is the best use of their resources to concentrate so much into one guy.</p>
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<p>He did sign a mega deal last year, along with Retallick, so I presume he's signed up until 2018 or maybe 2019. NZR take a big risk entering into such arrangements with a winger - sometimes the rate of "disruption" and technological advancement is breathtaking. </p>
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<p>Yes, I acknowledge he was awesome in that France QF.</p>
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<p>I read that first part at first as "if he can fit in the jersey"! Which could be an issue going forward also. NMS has one wing spot when fit, and Naholo is getting a crack now to make a statement. The backlog at 15 provides many less than ideal, but viable options in the back three. Next season we probably turn out another world beater.</p>
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<p>Lazy or not - 4-6 years seems to be the limit for those ultra-skilled outside backs so he is in the ballpark of being over anyway. In the pro era they lose a step either through injury, age or kidney issues and then it's all over very, very quickly. Of our truly classy wings/fullbacks only Howlett really had a graceful exit. Rok, Sivi, Jonah (obviously unique situation), Wilson, Cullen all were passed by the newer model - when 18 months earlier it would have been inconceivable.</p>
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<p>Excellent point about the older generation, They were all only at the very top for about half a decade on average, a far cry from many in other positions. Obviously that's still time for all mentioned to have careers ranging from very good to legendary, has Savea done enough to warrant being in the latter category ?</p>
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<p>A mate of mine works very closely with the Canes and says the difference in attitude towards training between the Savea brothers is vast. He reckons Julian has far more natural talent but Ardie literally works his fucken arse off to compensate.</p> -
<p>I think Naholo is still finding his feet at international level, but he's been impressive for the Highlanders coming back from injury. Some of the play in his direction, on Saturday, looked a bit frenetic - as if we were over-anxious to get the ball into his hands ASAP. </p>
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<p>Expect the highlander lads en masse for carisbrook.</p>
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<p>I reckon we need the best steppers in the team for Carisbrook - they've got a shitload of weeds and piles of rubble to avoid.</p>
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<p>"There is a lot happening with Jules and we are working away quietly."</p>
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<p>On a positive though this highlights the beauty of our team environment right now. Who knows what is going on with Savea, but whatever it is, it's all behind closed doors, management are working it through with him, and nobody is being a distraction and bigger than the team. </p> -
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<p>I reckon we need the best steppers in the team for Carisbrook - they've got a shitload of weeds and piles of rubble to avoid.</p>
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<p>I reckon it'll be alright for cricket season though.</p> -
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The rumors are getting louder there is a bit more going on with Julian than just poor rugby form . <br><br>
Devlin has said he has been told what it is , but is not going to reveal , but sounded sympathetic so it musnt be anything scandelous. -
<p>Congrats to Izzy Dagg on fighting his way back.</p>
<p>I didn't think he deserved be in the team for the last couple of years, but his improved form (combined with Savea losing his) warrants his selection.</p>
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<p>I expect he will make a good fist of it.</p>
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<p>Congrats to Izzy Dagg on fighting his way back.</p>
<p>I didn't think he deserved be in the team for the last couple of years, but his improved form (combined with Savea losing his) warrants his selection.</p>
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<p>I expect he will make a good fist of it.</p>
<p>If he doesn't the world's best fullback will do okay there.</p>
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<p>Amazing what a proper offseason will do for players. I wonder if the global game will go to a combined season and guarantee everyone a proper break - whatever the season looks like, giving players 3 months off would be great. The NFL has an offseason from February to September -- 7 months!</p> -
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<p>The rumors are getting louder there is a bit more going on with Julian than just poor rugby form .<br><br>
Devlin has said he has been told what it is , but is not going to reveal , but sounded sympathetic so it musnt be anything scandelous.</p>
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<p>I wonder if it's the same "issues" that were going around a little while ago.</p> -
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<p>Congrats to Izzy Dagg on fighting his way back.</p>
<p>I didn't think he deserved be in the team for the last couple of years, but his improved form (combined with Savea losing his) warrants his selection.</p>
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<p>I expect he will make a good fist of it.</p>
<p>If he doesn't the world's best fullback will do okay there.</p>
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<p>Yep, agreed.</p>
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<p>But........</p>
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<p>I just don't get why they can't keep the worlds best fullback at fullback, and put Dagg on the wing.</p>
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<p>Absolutely stoked to see Dagg selected for his 50th. What a fucking legend, could have easily taken the $$ after the RWC but chose to work his way back into form and is now reaping the rewards. J Savea - take note!</p>
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<p>Gunner - agree with the sentiment that moving one of our best players out of position to accommodate another is fraught with danger, but in this case Ben Smith is a 100% proven world class right wing. Dagg really isn't, so it does make sense to have Dagg at 15 where is he much more likely to have a good game. We know Ben Smith will carve up from 14.</p> -
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<p>Gunner - agree with the sentiment that moving one of our best players out of position to accommodate another is fraught with danger, but in this case Ben Smith is a 100% proven world class right wing. Dagg really isn't, so it does make sense to have Dagg at 15 where is he much more likely to have a good game. We know Ben Smith will carve up from 14.</p>
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<p>I can see the logic in that. But still, c'mon moving the best 15 in the world......hmmmmm, I dunno. :think:</p> -
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<p>I can see the logic in that. But still, c'mon moving the best 15 in the world......hmmmmm, I dunno. :think:</p>
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<p>yeah, but who else would you play there? they figure that 14 Smith + 15 Dagg is >> 15 Smith + 14 ????</p>
