All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
How in the flying fuck could you watch SR this year and decide that Sotutu is third rate compared to Ardie and PGS?
His selection sums up the fucked up selectorial gymnastics these guys are going through.
Bro Ardie savea is like 2nd in the world bro!!!
Got nothing for PGS who ust makes the same errors he does at super level
Our pack is fucked because we just will not drop sacred cows
And, when it mattered at Super level PGS went missing, so he is just the right player to back up Ardie at 8 for the ABs.
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I love the Fern
Try losing 3, 4, 5 in a row, then get worried
This is the week to see if Fat Boy Slim can coach
If you get pumped again next week and lose the series, that’s when it’s a National Disaster
Until then you’re still the envy of the rugby world
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@MiketheSnow F3$K off with your Welsh standards. It has been a national disaster for a few years.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Can anyone define how the ABs play?
Yes. A static pod doing their level best to negate any benefit of Aaron's pass. And even then they manage to fuck cleaning out and securing the ball quickly.
Joe Schmidt showed the ABs how to beat Ireland last week, chuck numbers into the breakdown and never allow them quick ball. Ian Foster comes back and it's straight out the window.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Our problem gents is
If you ever had to go through performance management of an employee you wanted to get rid of
Tonight we have
A terrible yellow card to a winger trying to charge a kick
A prop having an all time shit test
A prop getting red carded despite nearly knocking himself outThat geys very hard to say justified dismissal
What about
-players out of positionevery AB coach in the last 30 years has done that
-gamebreakers on benchsome definitely have been and others more positional options
-doesn't know sub rulesneither did the officials or senior players it seems
-doesn't proactively create new team strategies - I see you got some management speak in there with a useless adverb like “proactively”. You either do something or you don’t.
-doesn't use bench at right timego back through the annuls of TSF and you will find test matches where we have bemoaned bench use.
-relies on BB kicking at the wrong times and in the wrong places - BB’s kicking is definitely an issue
-loses to all sorts of records - legacy means something for sure
-has terrible winning record - haven’t seen the stats comparing his record to others. It can’t be good.
-name a player who has improved under his coaching (Bower? Not improved under Crusaders?)- what happens under the ABs can’t be looked at in isolation. That’s simply not how it works. People might bring up the Nonu example but he was still a damn good rugby player with the Canes, Blues, Landers and kept improving there.So a couple of sackable offences in there I guess 😉
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I love the Fern
Try losing 3, 4, 5 in a row, then get worried
This is the week to see if Fat Boy Slim can coach
If you get pumped again next week and lose the series, that’s when it’s a National Disaster
Until then you’re still the envy of the rugby world
If we get pumped again next week, even I'll make pop-corn.
We could see the greatest ever @Tim rant, and @mariner4life is clearly still far too sober (the Ardie Savea is Messam from Wish thing was fucking gold though)
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@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwi_expat I wish Razor was appointed coach😔
I'm sure that if he wanted to be an AB assistant, he would be.
I know that this is pure 100% speculation, but this is an AB loss and everyone deserves a turn at the fucking woodshed.
I can see why we might be better off with him there, don't get me wrong.
However, I'll bet that if he wanted to be there as part of the team, he had the opportunity and turned it down.
So, if he is looking at the situation and thinking, I could help, then the obvious answer is why aren't you already there? It's because you only wanted the top job.
Now, assuming I'm wrong and Fozzie didn't want to bring him in, we return to my previous point, which is to fire the fluffybunnies at the boardroom.
However, I'm not prepared to blow Robertson when he could have been there right now trying to help this team get better.
Fuck that. Help the team through a rough patch and the fishheads would surely credit Foster and pat themselves on the back for reappointing the fat fluffy bunny. And if you don't manage to right the ship (because y'know you don't have head coach control) you risk being tarred with the Foster clown brush.
Robertson deserves to be head coach, if we lose this series the drum beats will be deafening.
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@Frye said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwi_expat I wish Razor was appointed coach😔
Robertson deserves to be head coach, if we lose this series the drum beats will be deafening.
Spot on, he is exactly what is needed. and I am a Hurricanes Fan. LOL
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@Frye said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwi_expat I wish Razor was appointed coach😔
I'm sure that if he wanted to be an AB assistant, he would be.
I know that this is pure 100% speculation, but this is an AB loss and everyone deserves a turn at the fucking woodshed.
I can see why we might be better off with him there, don't get me wrong.
However, I'll bet that if he wanted to be there as part of the team, he had the opportunity and turned it down.
So, if he is looking at the situation and thinking, I could help, then the obvious answer is why aren't you already there? It's because you only wanted the top job.
Now, assuming I'm wrong and Fozzie didn't want to bring him in, we return to my previous point, which is to fire the fluffybunnies at the boardroom.
However, I'm not prepared to blow Robertson when he could have been there right now trying to help this team get better.
Fuck that. Help the team through a rough patch and the fishheads would surely credit Foster and pat themselves on the back for reappointing the fat fluffy bunny. And if you don't manage to right the ship (because y'know you don't have head coach control) you risk being tarred with the Foster clown brush.
Robertson deserves to be head coach, if we lose this series the drum beats will be deafening.
Don't get me wrong, I'd sack foster and appoint Robertson with Jason Ryan, and let him choose his other assistants too.
However, I'm not going to 100% forgive him for not accepting an assistant's position in the past, either with Foster or Joseph.
If he'd have signed up with Joseph and Brown, I think they'd be the coaches right now.
I feel the same way about Joseph, to be honest.
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Back to basics first
Your captain has to be an automatic pick for a position.
You can't trust a back.
They have to have experience.
They must like to captain.
Do they command respect.
Our short term goal is the WC.That leaves Whitelock , am I missing something?
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@MrDenmore said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
What has Foster achieved? What players has he developed? What innovations has he introduced? He has done nothing but made excuses and wrecked the careers of several players.
I don’t buy the ‘we lack the cattle’ line. The NZ-born players in the Irish team were mostly journeymen before they migrated. Coaching and strategy and leadership make the difference.
NZ has none of that. In the meantime, Foster, with the support of an incompetent leadership at NZ rugby are trashing one of the world’s leading sports brands.
Travesty.
Meanwhile some complain that Robertson supposedly didn't want to work under him.
Fark off.
Foster is a reverse Midas, better to keep away from him and maintain your reputation.
I don't care if the problems are wider or deeper. Every journey starts with a first step and sending Foster out to pasture is a giant leap for AB-kind.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Our problem gents is
If you ever had to go through performance management of an employee you wanted to get rid of
Tonight we have
A terrible yellow card to a winger trying to charge a kick
A prop having an all time shit test
A prop getting red carded despite nearly knocking himself outThat geys very hard to say justified dismissal
What about
-players out of positionevery AB coach in the last 30 years has done that
-gamebreakers on benchsome definitely have been and others more positional options
-doesn't know sub rulesneither did the officials or senior players it seems
-doesn't proactively create new team strategies - I see you got some management speak in there with a useless adverb like “proactively”. You either do something or you don’t.
-doesn't use bench at right timego back through the annuls of TSF and you will find test matches where we have bemoaned bench use.
-relies on BB kicking at the wrong times and in the wrong places - BB’s kicking is definitely an issue
-loses to all sorts of records - legacy means something for sure
-has terrible winning record - haven’t seen the stats comparing his record to others. It can’t be good.
-name a player who has improved under his coaching (Bower? Not improved under Crusaders?)- what happens under the ABs can’t be looked at in isolation. That’s simply not how it works. People might bring up the Nonu example but he was still a damn good rugby player with the Canes, Blues, Landers and kept improving there.So a couple of sackable offences in there I guess 😉
proactively: (of a person or action) creating or controlling a situation rather than just responding to it after it has happened.
Not just management speak, Actual English language.
As to the rest, sure it has happened before.
But I wasn't responding to "what is unique here" but "That geys very hard to say justified dismissal"
let me put it another way for you, we are further from RWC winning potential than when we lost to England. We have stagnated.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Kirwan 3 minutes and 25 seconds after Ofa’s. ABs win with 13 men.
Shame on you for that jinx.
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@mikedogz said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I learnt today that the TMO has an assistant TMO and they have 11 screens to look at. Club ref today said he got to sit in room.
Who monitors the performance of TMO, and what plays he chooses to highlight? This is becoming a game changing issue.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Regardless of any other sh*te, we have consistently struggled to get enough ball from the forwards after Richie departed.
The rest is just elastoplasts.Bollocks. It's all Foster's fault.
And he's fat.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I was surprised to see so many big-upping the team before kickoff, that should probably be mentioned.
However, in the aftermath of that result,I think I sum up the mood here by saying that we aren't surprised.
In a series like this, one of the best parts is that you see how coaching and preparation really play a part, and simply put the ABS were just tactially inept againt a team that came ready to shut down plays that had worked last week.
Our defense was just as porous as last week, while their's was much harder to breakdown. That's analysis, coaching, and player preparation. Which of those is the problem (likely all three) doesn't matter, as this series is showing that we don't have the right leadership to respond to challenges until they are presented to us.
In other words, no-one appears to have considered that Ireland would improve.
You look at individual skill errors, and you wonder how the ABs went from being the best skilled team in the world, to being very average - pretty much from the time we sent Mick away.
Can anyone define how the ABs play? I can't. We don't have a pattern, and certainly not one that endeavours our 'brand' to be worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
We'll win next week due to the immense pride bashing the players will be feeling, especially if that Irish fluffybunny called our skip a second-rate McCaw..
But, that could be the worst thing possible, as it will likely hide the rot at the heart of the current team. European clubs have better coaching teams than the ABs. Something is very very rotten with the entire set-up, and we should start by getting rid of the useless fluffybunnies in the boardroom who rubber-stamped the appointment of Foster, his re-appointment, and especially the appointment of his sub-standard assistants.
Post of the Year so far, for me.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
2020/2021/2022 Pfff.... I am numb. So we badly lost to Ireland in NZ. We lost to an underdone Argentinian side in Aussie. You accepted that. I give you guys a couple of days before this is swept under the carpet.
The carpet is getting a bit lumpy under there, but I was under no illusion that post 2019 RWC we were in for a roller coaster. It’s never great to see your team lose and lose pretty badly like we did tonight, but this is where we are at and from week to week we are going to see these fluctuations in performance. There’s a host of factors, I guess it comes down to whether we need a circuit breaker (or several) right now.
You are pretty much right. But if we accept fluctuations we have to look at the trajectory - and it ain't up. For me, we're just bumping along in a seemingly incoherent way
