All Blacks vs Wales

MN5

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while we are getting cliched and stereotyped, Fijian wingers do have a lazy streak in them, none more so than Rupeni, always looked like he was in 3rd, dropped to 5th when he wanted but rarely seemed to need to, so didnt! 
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So based on that Caleb Ralph was an auto with a 1.3 engine ?

rotated

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while we are getting cliched and stereotyped, Fijian wingers do have a lazy streak in them, none more so than Rupeni, always looked like he was in 3rd, dropped to 5th when he wanted but rarely seemed to need to, so didnt! 
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Problem with that stereotype is outside of Jane in the professional era there hasn't been an AB wing with a stronger work rate than Joe Roks.

nzzp

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As the famous Joker quote goes "why so serious" I am obviously trying to wind you guys up. Its way to easy. There is obviously not much going on in Chiefs land for you to take that bait.
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The gold of the Fern is that I'm never sure if people are truly winding or not. Even a smiley sometimes indicates a deeply held belief. I actually laughed at your comment, though, so well played.
 
 
 
ps - you realise I'm a Blues fan, sworn enemy of the title winning, cowbell banging dairy farmers who take our castoffs? And I'd still take Cane to start a test any day of the week, I just think he's got a game built for test rugby.

SammyC

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Problem with that stereotype is outside of Jane in the professional era there hasn't been an AB wing with a stronger work rate than Joe Roks.</blockquote>
 
Ben smith?

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Ben smith?</blockquote> 
Dagg was strong too in 2010 on the wing - I would class both as fullbacks. Jane is obviously from a similar school but barely played FB in black.

booboo

Maybe start Damian McKenzie on the wing? Fixes the goal kicking problem ...

Bovidae

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I wondered if Crofty and Fekitoa were in the wrong positions - something was drastically wrong.
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This was a point I raised earlier in the year when we were discussing the midfield options. I'd like to see Fekitoa tried at 2nd 5 because he has many of the same strengths as a ball carrier that a younger Nonu did. Fekitoa has been moved there by Joseph and does provide a direct runner to bend the defensive line closer to the ruck. The other bonus is that he wouldn't then have the same responsibility as the defensive general for the ABs. Just let him run hard and straight.

jegga

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Well yeah, but I do remember a lock from BOP, Waikato or some crap team like that running him down after he made a big break. He may have been injured ?</blockquote>
 
Dave Duley?

Bovidae

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Naholos running game reminds me of Sivi , with a heap more power in contact added in , 
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You think? I'd say Vidiri - power and pace.
 
Sivi was a very good playmaker and was often used as a first receiver to create opportunities for others (e.g. Weepu's try vs Aust) through his ability to beat defenders in minimal space. That required some vision and game awareness, which Naholo lacks at the moment.

taniwharugby

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Problem with that stereotype is outside of Jane in the professional era there hasn't been an AB wing with a stronger work rate than Joe Roks.
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not saying it is correct, but obviously Sivi and Rupeni dont help it, despite thier obvious upsides on offence.

kiwiinmelb

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You think? I'd say Vidiri - power and pace. 
Sivi was a very good playmaker and was often used as a first receiver to create opportunities for others (e.g. Weepu's try vs Aust) through his ability to beat defenders in minimal space. That required some vision and game awareness, which Naholo lacks at the moment.</blockquote>
 
Get what you mean about sivis distribution, but I see similarities in their footwork

taniwharugby

Naholo looks to have a bit more power

Frank

Didn't Naholo come in off his wing a few times looking for work?
He doesn't seem that lazy to me.

dogmeat

I haven't read entire thread as on phone and gave up about 3/4 way but: 
Naholo is an athlete not a rugby player

Conrad = headless chooks 
Shovelling the ball on without straightening the attack is something my coach (when I was tried to drill out of us. It's post Ma'a but someone still needs to take it to the line.

jegga

Sivi was pretty bloody good , he could play fullback too. I was at the second lions test in 2005 and he had a huge game , not far behind Richie for my motm .

MN5

In terms of pure power Vidiri would have it over the others. He ran over the top of Jonah once.

SabalomG

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Sivi was pretty bloody good , he could play fullback too. I was at the second lions test in 2005 and he had a huge game , not far behind Richie for my motm .
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was the second test the one where DC played the perfect game?

Canes4life

Yeah the second test was at the Cake Tin. That game was when Carter announced himself as the best first five on the planet in what was a completely dominant performance vs Wilkinson.

taniwharugby

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Didn't Naholo come in off his wing a few times looking for work?
He doesn't seem that lazy to me.
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defensively is where the likes of Rupeni and Sivi were perceived to be lazy, I recall plenty of gnashing about how slowly he would chase back alot of the time.
 
Hopefully Wayne Smith can sort Naholo's positioning as he came off his wing alot on d too...

MN5

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Yeah the second test was at the Cake Tin. That game was when Carter announced himself as the best first five on the planet.
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Up there with Jonahs 95 efforts as the most awesome of individual performances. Handed off that fake tan wearing cockhead twice in one movement if I recall. 
 
I bet he had nightmares about that in between sessions motorboating Charlotte Church.....

The Silver Fern

All Blacks vs Wales