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  • mariner4lifeM Offline
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    replied to ACT Crusader on last edited by
    #2988

    @ACT-Crusader forced changes at 1, 6 and 12

    7 is the skipper back in

    bench backs i can easily see the same (unless DH gets the 12 shirt)

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  • CrucialC Offline
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    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

    i would be astounded if the first test 23 doesn't closely match the 23 from the last Ireland test

    and with good reason. The coaches think it was an aberration based on external factors and fatigue. They need to test that hypothesis.

    That 23 was:

    Moody
    Taylor
    Laulala
    Retallick
    Whitelock
    Blackadder
    Papali’i
    Savea
    Perenara
    Barrett
    Reece
    ALB
    Ioane
    Jordan
    Barrett

    Bench: Coles, Karl T, Lomax, Vaa’i, Ioane, Christie, Mo’unga, Havili
    ————-

    Moody, Blackadder, Perenara, ALB, Lomax aren’t in the squad.

    Papali’i is an unlikely starter you’d think given he’s a question mark to even play this weekend. Plus Cane will be back.

    Vaa’i and Christie didn’t play any minutes in that game.

    So

    MoodyBower
    TaylorTaukei'aho
    Laulala
    Retallick
    Whitelock
    BlackadderIoane
    Papali’iCane
    Savea
    PerenaraSmith
    Barrett
    Reece
    ALBGoodhue/Havili
    Ioane
    Jordan
    Barrett

    Bench: Taylor, Karl T, Tu'ungafasi , Vaa’i, Papalii, Christie, Mo’unga, Perofeta

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    #2990

    No need to have Perofeta on the bench with Mo'unga. Jordan can cover fullback so have an impact winger there. That could be Reece, Clarke or Fainga'anuku depending on who starts at 11.

    I am not expecting Taukei'aho to start, which will be a big mistake.

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  • FrankF Offline
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    replied to Bovidae on last edited by
    #2991

    @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:

    I am not expecting Taukei'aho to start, which will be a big mistake.

    I'd like to hear Foster try to justify that one.

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    @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:

    No need to have Perofeta on the bench with Mo'unga. Jordan can cover fullback so have an impact winger there. That could be Reece, Clarke or Fainga'anuku depending on who starts at 11.

    I am not expecting Taukei'aho to start, which will be a big mistake.

    Agree on Perofeta.

    With Clarke out again for the Blues this weekend, he won’t have played much footy come test team selection time so you’d think there is doubt.

    The question will be if Clarke is their answer at 11, do they go for a like for like and put in Fainga’anuku or go with what the combo that played last year?

    On front row, I think the pieces need to complement each other. I would have Sami with whatever combo includes Karl T, be it starting or bench. Sami is equally damaging as a starter or bench player.

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  • FrankF Offline
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    replied to ACT Crusader on last edited by Frank
    #2993

    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

    Sami is equally damaging as a starter or bench player.

    Fuck off with your covert plan to have Taylor start.😃

    (Samisoni is one of our few points of difference, so I'd be buggered if he's getting 20 off the bench)

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  • Victor MeldrewV Offline
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    @No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:

    100% this, with the talent at our disposal our bench should always be a weapon.

    We've had that luxury in the past, but I'm not too sure we do at this moment in time. Agree we need to use the bench better though.

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  • KiwiwombleK Offline
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    #2995

    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:

    @No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:

    100% this, with the talent at our disposal our bench should always be a weapon.

    We've had that luxury in the past, but I'm not too sure we do at this moment in time. Agree we need to use the bench better though.

    i could believe we have the talent...i just think how we want to play or are trying to play doesn't always work with the talent we have

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  • Victor MeldrewV Offline
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    #2996

    @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:

    I am not expecting Taukei'aho to start, which will be a big mistake.

    I agree, but I suppose Foster might see some logic in using him for impact off the bench for a must-win 1st Test.

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    replied to Victor Meldrew on last edited by
    #2997

    @Victor-Meldrew Given that we have been chasing games, rather than putting the opposition under pressure, that would be particularly stupid!

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    replied to Victor Meldrew on last edited by
    #2998

    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:

    I am not expecting Taukei'aho to start, which will be a big mistake.

    I agree, but I suppose Foster might see some logic in using him for impact off the bench for a must-win 1st Test.

    Lomu would have had great impact off the bench.

    Samisoni is better than Taylor. So he should start.

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    replied to Tim on last edited by
    #2999

    @Tim yeah we need to start winning games, we don't have the superior fitness and blockbusters on the bench to chase games at the moment, so agree, get out of the gate quicker.

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    @gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:

    It won't happen, but I also want to see Sotutu out there playing as a receiver and distributor as he does for the Blues.

    Pre captain Read used to be very good at this role, not quite the deft skill of Sotutu but there is hope as they've done it before in recentish times.

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  • CrucialC Offline
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    @Frank said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:

    I am not expecting Taukei'aho to start, which will be a big mistake.

    I agree, but I suppose Foster might see some logic in using him for impact off the bench for a must-win 1st Test.

    Lomu would have had great impact off the bench.

    Would he though? The advantage of a strike player starting is that the opposition don’t know when the strike is coming. Put them on for 15 minutes and they can stifle the plan to get them the ball. Look what SA managed in 2015 with Lomu and that was starting.
    I do prefer the thought of Reece coming on as an impact though. His busyness makes him unpredictable.

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  • BonesB Offline
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    @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

    As a bench option we could move everyone around. It may create options of tasking Akira or Hoskins or Cane to go extra hard for 50 minutes. We could mix it up and adjust according to the game and opposition.

    All three of them go hard. Ardie fizzing off the bench will pick up the slack for the other two anyway!

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  • ACT CrusaderA Offline
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    replied to Bones on last edited by
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    @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

    As a bench option we could move everyone around. It may create options of tasking Akira or Hoskins or Cane to go extra hard for 50 minutes. We could mix it up and adjust according to the game and opposition.

    All three of them go hard. Ardie fizzing off the bench will pick up the slack for the other two anyway!

    No matter what, I think Sotutu has to be in the 23. Whether on the bench or even starting. In the scenario we lose Cane or Ardie, Sotutu slots in. If we lost Akira, we have the option to have Ardie and Cane play left and right side or we move Barrett (or Vaa’i) to blindside. That move will largely depend on opponent and time of game.

    Sotutu is too good to leave out and his improvement this season show he’s upped his workrate on both sides of the ball, accuracy at the ruck, whilst providing a ball running option.

    I think they’ll go for Ardie to start the first test, but hey they could surprise us.

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  • BonesB Offline
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    replied to ACT Crusader on last edited by
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    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

    As a bench option we could move everyone around. It may create options of tasking Akira or Hoskins or Cane to go extra hard for 50 minutes. We could mix it up and adjust according to the game and opposition.

    All three of them go hard. Ardie fizzing off the bench will pick up the slack for the other two anyway!

    No matter what, I think Sotutu has to be in the 23. Whether on the bench or even starting. In the scenario we lose Cane or Ardie, Sotutu slots in. If we lost Akira, we have the option to have Ardie and Cane play left and right side or we move Barrett (or Vaa’i) to blindside. That move will largely depend on opponent and time of game.

    Sotutu is too good to leave out and his improvement this season show he’s upped his workrate on both sides of the ball, accuracy at the ruck, whilst providing a ball running option.

    I think they’ll go for Ardie to start the first test, but hey they could surprise us.

    Yeah, quite keen to see how Sowakula is going to go too though. Him and Ioane on at the same time could cause some opposition a few headaches.

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    replied to ACT Crusader on last edited by
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    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

    I think they’ll go for Ardie to start the first test, but hey they could surprise us.

    Haha yeah right

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    replied to ACT Crusader on last edited by
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    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Nepia so much hate inside you…

    On your team, I don’t think we can afford to start both Laulala and Karl T. That was a glaring problem for us previously. If both are in the team I hope only one of them starts and the other off the bench.

    They’re our best scrummagers. But think we can start Ofa and Karl and get a good mix, then Nepo and Bower/Ross to finish.

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