All Blacks 2022

akan004

@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:

I guess we will target Ireland for scrum penalties?

Ireland have a pretty weak scrum, we should dominate them in that area.

WillieTheWaiter

@number9 said in All Blacks 2022:

So Big Karl plays maybe 2 hours all season, is leaving for Europe and Fozz the fuckwit still selects him. Fucking idiot.

100% biggest suprise for me too - playing looked like a guy who had no chance of getting in the AB's too.
I know they like older props who are 'mature'.. but I reckon if you're good enough you're good enough and this is a selection that could bite us in the arse next year. Should have had one youthful player in there

Frank

The selection of Karl Tuinukuafe obviously means they are worried about the scrummaging ability of the other options.

(not saying I agree)

ACT Crusader

@WillieTheWaiter Aidan Ross is only 26, so plenty of years ahead of him whilst having a decent body of work under his belt.

Chris

With those prop selections we don't seem to be addressing the lack of ball running ability problem from last season.
Is this going to be more of the same the backs taken out of the game by us not getting over the gain line up front.
PGS there for that I suppose but won't start ahead of Ardie,RTS,LF will not get much game time it looks a lot like last year to me.The 23 looks like it will not change from last season.

Stargazer

@WillieTheWaiter Maybe it's just for the July Series, and they may go for a different selection for the Rugby Championship/Bledisloe Cup?

Frank

@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:

Good possibility that this will be the starting tight five:

1 Tu’inukuafe
2 Taylor
3 Laulala
4 Whitelock
5 Retallick

Not great.

I'd assume Samisoni starts ahead of Taylor - like way ahead.
But with this conservative coaching group, I fear you could be right.

Dan54

@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:

@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:

Good possibility that this will be the starting tight five:

1 Tu’inukuafe
2 Taylor
3 Laulala
4 Whitelock
5 Retallick

Not great.

I'd assume Samisoni starts ahead of Taylor - like way ahead.
But with this conservative coaching group, I fear you could be right.

I don't think Tu'inukafe will start, or make bench, I guessing the feeling is someone like Ollie Norris is better to actually be getting gametime against Irish for MABs, and then come into ABs for RC?

WillieTheWaiter

@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:

@WillieTheWaiter Maybe it's just for the July Series, and they may go for a different selection for the Rugby Championship/Bledisloe Cup?

its a consideration the question would be why tho?!

only 18 games til the WC

WillieTheWaiter

@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:

With those prop selections we don't seem to be addressing the lack of ball running ability problem from last season.
Is this going to be more of the same the backs taken out of the game by us not getting over the gain line up front.
PGS there for that I suppose but won't start ahead of Ardie,RTS,LF will not get much game time it looks a lot like last year to me.The 23 looks like it will not change from last season.

totally agree - Hansen was even banging on about that so not a new issue

ACT Crusader

@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:

@ACT-Crusader Plumtree's Taranaki bias.

So he both provincial and franchise bias in his favour. When will this favouritism ever end?

Kirwan

@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:

With those prop selections we don't seem to be addressing the lack of ball running ability problem from last season.
Is this going to be more of the same the backs taken out of the game by us not getting over the gain line up front.
PGS there for that I suppose but won't start ahead of Ardie,RTS,LF will not get much game time it looks a lot like last year to me.The 23 looks like it will not change from last season.

PGS will be the backup six to Akira, IMO. If they start ST instead of Taylor, and with Ofa's improved ball running/fitness (probably from the bench) you have two great ball running options just from the front row.

Akira/Ardie/Cane with Dalton on the bench gives good options there too. Really the locks that have to up that area of the game, so a lot resting on Scott Barrett IMO.

ACT Crusader

@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:

@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:

With those prop selections we don't seem to be addressing the lack of ball running ability problem from last season.
Is this going to be more of the same the backs taken out of the game by us not getting over the gain line up front.
PGS there for that I suppose but won't start ahead of Ardie,RTS,LF will not get much game time it looks a lot like last year to me.The 23 looks like it will not change from last season.

PGS will be the backup six to Akira, IMO. If they start ST instead of Taylor, and with Ofa's improved ball running/fitness (probably from the bench) you have two great ball running options just from the front row.

Akira/Ardie/Cane with Dalton on the bench gives good options there too. Really the locks that have to up that area of the game, so a lot resting on Scott Barrett IMO.

If that is our starting loose trio and it most likely will be, I really hope they go for Sotutu on the bench.

ARHS

Bit disappointed with the selections of Karl and PGS. Very surprised no Luke J or De Groot. Would have vastly preferred Jordie as a 12 and Sullivan for RTS, Havili or Lester, but understand their reluctance. Else all good.

Chris

@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:

@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:

With those prop selections we don't seem to be addressing the lack of ball running ability problem from last season.
Is this going to be more of the same the backs taken out of the game by us not getting over the gain line up front.
PGS there for that I suppose but won't start ahead of Ardie,RTS,LF will not get much game time it looks a lot like last year to me.The 23 looks like it will not change from last season.

PGS will be the backup six to Akira, IMO. If they start ST instead of Taylor, and with Ofa's improved ball running/fitness (probably from the bench) you have two great ball running options just from the front row.

Akira/Ardie/Cane with Dalton on the bench gives good options there too. Really the locks that have to up that area of the game, so a lot resting on Scott Barrett IMO.

Maybe, I just don't have much faith in Fosters and co's selections when it comes to the 23.I can see better options in the squad than what they might actually pick.
It will be interesting to see that first 23 for the first test v Ireland.
I think Barret is probably the no.1 lock ATM.

broughie

@Chris-B Showed promise at the beginning of the year and possibly in the AB environment he might be able to lift his game. Did he play every game of the Chiefs campaign?

taniwharugby

@Kirwan TBH I think if there is some of the ball carrying, clean outs, defence work done by the props, our locks will be able to do thier fair share.

Bovidae

@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:

With those prop selections we don't seem to be addressing the lack of ball running ability problem from last season.

Which props offer us that? Hodgman maybe. As I've said before, the Aust props are more effective ball-carriers than the AB props. This is a NZ-wide problem.

Chris

@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:

@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:

With those prop selections we don't seem to be addressing the lack of ball running ability problem from last season.

Which props offer us that? Hodgman maybe. As I've said before, the Aust props are more effective ball-carriers than the AB props. This is a NZ-wide problem.

So we settle for that do we.There are some who carry better than that group.
Norris,Williams,Hodgman,Ainsley,Raketie-stones take a punt on a couple we need it come WC time.

sparky

Really pleased for PGS, RTS and Fakatava.

Disappointed for Hodgman and De Groot.

Not many surprises.

The Silver Fern

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