All Blacks 2022
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader which is probably where the biggest drop off has come for AB rugby the past few years with little to no impact from our props around the park, even our hookers (exc ST) have had thier time where they have been well of thier game too.
I actually don't think Coles has been off his game, he's just been out of the game too often.
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An article about the loosie selections. Some similar points have been made in this thread, it’s still a reasonable summary:
Ethan Blackadder's injury could prolong some All Blacks careers
Ian Foster was going to struggle to narrow down his loose forward selections for the All Blacks' upcoming test series with Ireland but the loss of Ethan Blackadder to injury will perhaps make the picture a little bit clearer.
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@Darren said in All Blacks 2022:
I'd just do the Blues 10,12,13. I think there is a lot to say for a combination of guys that train and play together.
Then have the option to move JB in case RTS is out of his depth, which I highly doubt.Goodhue on bench as insurance. Also gives several tactical options in terms of whom he replaces.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
I agree Frizell will be there. He wouldn't be in my squad but they'll pick him.
Big problem I have is that this is shaping like a squad which is very close to the EOYT one. That underwhelmed.
Sure the boys were burnt out by too much PlayStation, but I'd have thought one or two would have been identified as not quite top test standard.
If which case we need to see some new blood, surely?
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On the basis that playoff rugby matters for the AB selections:
PGS has no chance
Weber played himself into the Maori squad
Tupaea needs RTS to shit the bed to stay
Ta’avao might get a reprieve
Ross’ stocks likely went up
Jager won’t be an AB
Grace helped his chances -
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm really looking forward to seeing how RTS goes now. The chiefs 12 was cake, if he's our guy for the ABs we're in trouble.
He really shit the bed tonight and has a huge amount of redeeming to be done. Pity as he had been playing really well.
Neither of the Saders midfielders did much with the ball so hard to judge attack and the Saders defence is absorbing so even though their tackles were made they were still allowing chances to be created (just not taken)
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I'm not sure AB selectors write a player off after one poor performance in a bad team match, shit actually scratch that they wrote of Reiko and Ben Smith that way. QT is done.
So our 12 options are:
A dude who shit the bed tonight.
A dude who flopped in test rugby last year.
A league player.
A fullback.
An always injured pie eater.Any others I've missed?
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm not sure AB selectors write a player off after one poor performance in a bad team match, shit actually scratch that they wrote of Reiko and Ben Smith that way. QT is done.
So our 12 options are:
A dude who shit the bed tonight.
A dude who flopped in test rugby last year.
A league player.
A fullback.Any others I've missed?
2017 U20 World Championship winning no.12 Thomas Umaga-Jensen? Now weighing in at 108kg.
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm not sure AB selectors write a player off after one poor performance in a bad team match, shit actually scratch that they wrote of Reiko and Ben Smith that way. QT is done.
So our 12 options are:
A dude who shit the bed tonight.
A dude who flopped in test rugby last year.
A league player.
A fullback.Any others I've missed?
2017 U20 Championship winning no.12 Thomas Umaga-Jensen? Now weighing in at 108kg.
He's too small, call me back when he hits 114kg.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm not sure AB selectors write a player off after one poor performance in a bad team match, shit actually scratch that they wrote of Reiko and Ben Smith that way. QT is done.
So our 12 options are:
A dude who shit the bed tonight.
A dude who flopped in test rugby last year.
A league player.
A fullback.Any others I've missed?
2017 U20 Championship winning no.12 Thomas Umaga-Jensen? Now weighing in at 108kg.
He's too small, call me back when he hits 114kg.
TUJ featured in the team that thrashed England 64-17 in the Final.
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm not sure AB selectors write a player off after one poor performance in a bad team match, shit actually scratch that they wrote of Reiko and Ben Smith that way. QT is done.
So our 12 options are:
A dude who shit the bed tonight.
A dude who flopped in test rugby last year.
A league player.
A fullback.Any others I've missed?
2017 U20 Championship winning no.12 Thomas Umaga-Jensen? Now weighing in at 108kg.
He's too small, call me back when he hits 114kg.
TUJ featured in the team that thrashed England 64-17 in the Final.
No need for his whole CV, he's on the list, I was only joking about his weight.
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm not sure AB selectors write a player off after one poor performance in a bad team match, shit actually scratch that they wrote of Reiko and Ben Smith that way. QT is done.
So our 12 options are:
A dude who shit the bed tonight.
A dude who flopped in test rugby last year.
A league player.
A fullback.Any others I've missed?
2017 U20 World Championship winning no.12 Thomas Umaga-Jensen? Now weighing in at 108kg.
But always injured.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
Is it even conservative to pick Goodhue for a test when he hasn't shown any form since his injury? Seems like it would actually be the riskier move.
If he goes reasonably OK, I'd think Foster will think it's less risky than picking a bloke who's played less than 10 games of top-level Union and zero Tests, or a relative novice like QT, than a bloke with 70 games and 19 Tests.
Sensible action you would think would be to just pick the best performer from RTS, JG or QT over the next 2 weekends?? I know it's a wild idea right?? Especially since they are all in action and super rugby playoff rugby is as close to test rugby as you're gonna get.
I'd think and hope the selectors take a bit more notice of a player's ability than 2 games of Super Rugby. They have in the past - otherwise Ma'a would have been dropped in 2010 or 2011.
Although apparently SBW didn't perform very well in 2010 for the ABs. So RTS is obviously not going to either?
Not sure the point you are making here, though it might be a reference to my earlier comment that SBW's lack of RU experience, despite nearly 2 years in top-flight Union, was exposed by Wales and was a risk which didn't pay off, and he was pulled halfway thru the match.
Let's just overlook the fact that SBW hadn't actually played super rugby yet, he'd only NPC. Actually he hadn't even played NPC playoff rugby as the All Blacks were pulled before then. Definitely a fair equivalence to compare the two then..... lol
I think we need to be a bit more humble and not think that NZ Super rugby is so much better and superior to NH & NH Premiership rugby (just check out our performance against NH sides recently).
I'd also argue that the idea that a bloke with 8 games at Super Rugby level is as prepared and experienced for Test level as the likes of Gary Ringrose, Bundi Aki & Robbie Henshaw and that playing him at Test level doesn't carry a big risk, is a bit fallacious.
Very natural progression for RTS to play finals super rugby and then move up to a home test series. If this was a Bledisloe or a Bok test at altitude then I'd be inclined to agree but it's not.
It's the perfect opportunity to blood him.
Again I don't think SBW is a fair comparison because RTS simply would have played a higher standard of competition than what SBW had played up to that point. They're different players anyway.
Of course it's still somewhat moot, RTS still needs to do the business tomorrow. Hopefully pundits will be barracking for him to do well rather than hoping for a barry crocker so they can win arguments on the internet....
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@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
Is it even conservative to pick Goodhue for a test when he hasn't shown any form since his injury? Seems like it would actually be the riskier move.
If he goes reasonably OK, I'd think Foster will think it's less risky than picking a bloke who's played less than 10 games of top-level Union and zero Tests, or a relative novice like QT, than a bloke with 70 games and 19 Tests.
Sensible action you would think would be to just pick the best performer from RTS, JG or QT over the next 2 weekends?? I know it's a wild idea right?? Especially since they are all in action and super rugby playoff rugby is as close to test rugby as you're gonna get.
I'd think and hope the selectors take a bit more notice of a player's ability than 2 games of Super Rugby. They have in the past - otherwise Ma'a would have been dropped in 2010 or 2011.
Although apparently SBW didn't perform very well in 2010 for the ABs. So RTS is obviously not going to either?
Not sure the point you are making here, though it might be a reference to my earlier comment that SBW's lack of RU experience, despite nearly 2 years in top-flight Union, was exposed by Wales and was a risk which didn't pay off, and he was pulled halfway thru the match.
Let's just overlook the fact that SBW hadn't actually played super rugby yet, he'd only NPC. Actually he hadn't even played NPC playoff rugby as the All Blacks were pulled before then. Definitely a fair equivalence to compare the two then..... lol
I think we need to be a bit more humble and not think that NZ Super rugby is so much better and superior to NH & NH Premiership rugby (just check out our performance against NH sides recently).
I'd also argue that the idea that a bloke with 8 games at Super Rugby level is as prepared and experienced for Test level as the likes of Gary Ringrose, Bundi Aki & Robbie Henshaw and that playing him at Test level doesn't carry a big risk, is a bit fallacious.
Very natural progression for RTS to play finals super rugby and then move up to a home test series. If this was a Bledisloe or a Bok test at altitude then I'd be inclined to agree but it's not.
It's the perfect opportunity to blood him.
Again I don't think SBW is a fair comparison because RTS simply would have played a higher standard of competition than what SBW had played up to that point. They're different players anyway.
Of course it's still somewhat moot, RTS still needs to do the business tomorrow. Hopefully pundits will be barracking for him to do well rather than hoping for a barry crocker so they can win arguments on the internet....
I’ll be hoping he (and other Blues) have an absolute shocker, as I want the underdog Saders to have a home GF.
FWIW, I think QT still makes the AB squad.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
Is it even conservative to pick Goodhue for a test when he hasn't shown any form since his injury? Seems like it would actually be the riskier move.
If he goes reasonably OK, I'd think Foster will think it's less risky than picking a bloke who's played less than 10 games of top-level Union and zero Tests, or a relative novice like QT, than a bloke with 70 games and 19 Tests.
Sensible action you would think would be to just pick the best performer from RTS, JG or QT over the next 2 weekends?? I know it's a wild idea right?? Especially since they are all in action and super rugby playoff rugby is as close to test rugby as you're gonna get.
I'd think and hope the selectors take a bit more notice of a player's ability than 2 games of Super Rugby. They have in the past - otherwise Ma'a would have been dropped in 2010 or 2011.
Although apparently SBW didn't perform very well in 2010 for the ABs. So RTS is obviously not going to either?
Not sure the point you are making here, though it might be a reference to my earlier comment that SBW's lack of RU experience, despite nearly 2 years in top-flight Union, was exposed by Wales and was a risk which didn't pay off, and he was pulled halfway thru the match.
Let's just overlook the fact that SBW hadn't actually played super rugby yet, he'd only NPC. Actually he hadn't even played NPC playoff rugby as the All Blacks were pulled before then. Definitely a fair equivalence to compare the two then..... lol
I think we need to be a bit more humble and not think that NZ Super rugby is so much better and superior to NH & NH Premiership rugby (just check out our performance against NH sides recently).
I'd also argue that the idea that a bloke with 8 games at Super Rugby level is as prepared and experienced for Test level as the likes of Gary Ringrose, Bundi Aki & Robbie Henshaw and that playing him at Test level doesn't carry a big risk, is a bit fallacious.
Very natural progression for RTS to play finals super rugby and then move up to a home test series. If this was a Bledisloe or a Bok test at altitude then I'd be inclined to agree but it's not.
It's the perfect opportunity to blood him.
Again I don't think SBW is a fair comparison because RTS simply would have played a higher standard of competition than what SBW had played up to that point. They're different players anyway.
Of course it's still somewhat moot, RTS still needs to do the business tomorrow. Hopefully pundits will be barracking for him to do well rather than hoping for a barry crocker so they can win arguments on the internet....
I’ll be hoping he (and other Blues) have an absolute shocker, as I want the underdog Saders to have a home GF.
FWIW, I think QT still makes the AB squad.
Interesting take, and don't take this the wrong way, but even if the Chiefs had won tonight, I'd be supporting the Blues tomorrow.
I want kiwi teams and kiwi players in the final.
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@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
Is it even conservative to pick Goodhue for a test when he hasn't shown any form since his injury? Seems like it would actually be the riskier move.
If he goes reasonably OK, I'd think Foster will think it's less risky than picking a bloke who's played less than 10 games of top-level Union and zero Tests, or a relative novice like QT, than a bloke with 70 games and 19 Tests.
Sensible action you would think would be to just pick the best performer from RTS, JG or QT over the next 2 weekends?? I know it's a wild idea right?? Especially since they are all in action and super rugby playoff rugby is as close to test rugby as you're gonna get.
I'd think and hope the selectors take a bit more notice of a player's ability than 2 games of Super Rugby. They have in the past - otherwise Ma'a would have been dropped in 2010 or 2011.
Although apparently SBW didn't perform very well in 2010 for the ABs. So RTS is obviously not going to either?
Not sure the point you are making here, though it might be a reference to my earlier comment that SBW's lack of RU experience, despite nearly 2 years in top-flight Union, was exposed by Wales and was a risk which didn't pay off, and he was pulled halfway thru the match.
Let's just overlook the fact that SBW hadn't actually played super rugby yet, he'd only NPC. Actually he hadn't even played NPC playoff rugby as the All Blacks were pulled before then. Definitely a fair equivalence to compare the two then..... lol
I think we need to be a bit more humble and not think that NZ Super rugby is so much better and superior to NH & NH Premiership rugby (just check out our performance against NH sides recently).
I'd also argue that the idea that a bloke with 8 games at Super Rugby level is as prepared and experienced for Test level as the likes of Gary Ringrose, Bundi Aki & Robbie Henshaw and that playing him at Test level doesn't carry a big risk, is a bit fallacious.
Very natural progression for RTS to play finals super rugby and then move up to a home test series. If this was a Bledisloe or a Bok test at altitude then I'd be inclined to agree but it's not.
It's the perfect opportunity to blood him.
I think the Irish Test series is absolutely key after last year and probably as important as TRC & Bledisloe. We need to win it and win it well. If we win the first 2 Tests & wrap up the series then absolutely try out some new people like RTS. I hope the AB coaches have a real good look at him in the wider squad and develop him in a sensible way and just hope they don't throw him in the deep end. I'd love to have someone like RTS competing for a starting slot by the EOYT.
Again I don't think SBW is a fair comparison because RTS simply would have played a higher standard of competition than what SBW had played up to that point. They're different players anyway.
A player can look a million dollars playing in a dominant team, but crap under pressure in an average one. And we don't have the luxury of trying him out with Ma'a on the bench if it doesn't work out
My point was that SBW wasn't thrown in the deep end after a few games. He had a long intro to RU, had plenty of experience at Toulon under Tana, looked great against England and even then was pretty much exposed against Wales.
Of course it's still somewhat moot, RTS still needs to do the business tomorrow. Hopefully pundits will be barracking for him to do well rather than hoping for a barry crocker so they can win arguments on the internet....
I agree. I hope he does well and I think he's a real talent. I just want that talent handled as well as possible in a Black shirt so we end up with an SBW (without the occasional brain-farts) rather than a Henry Paul.
