Coronavirus - Overall
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Moreover, his whole argument about natural immunity being just as effective as the vaccine does not address several issues. Firstly in that in getting that natural immunity you are risking death or serious illness.
This is your quote. Maybe you could define what the risk is for a healthy individual? 1 out of a thousand or million. Is this risk significant to merit altering you lifestyle.
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@muddyriver said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Kirwan when you need pills doctors are good.
For overall health there are better options
I believe that people need to take responsibility for their own health, as it's better to prevent poor health than to treat it.
But to ignore expert advice, particularly about "pills" or vaccines puts you into the same category of people that wear crystals IMO.
You'd hope the experts would have your best interests at heart, but then you read about the Opioid crises in the States which was created by doctors massively over prescribing them due to various reasons, none of which was to keep their patients safe, and you start to realise how much of the pharmaceutical industry is driven by pure greed.
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@Frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:
99.72% of Covid cases cases since Jan 1 have been mild or asymptomatic.
Is any supposed to take this variant seriously?Pretty much the situation for us here. I’m surprised the government hasn’t decided to just ignore it and focus on getting the coming back on track.
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@gt12 I want it to rip through Taiwan so Taiwan ends the quarantine period still required upon entering. We have students staying home because they are possible contact points of the virus so I have to livestream lessons , which sucks because the parents will see how a real classroom operates ( i.e., me yelling )
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@Frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@gt12 I want it to rip through Taiwan so Taiwan ends the quarantine period still required upon entering. We have students staying home because they are possible contact points of the virus so I have to livestream lessons , which sucks because the parents will see how a real classroom operates ( i.e., me yelling )
My cousin is in Taiwan, her parents still can't visit from NZ because the borders are closed to non-citizens or residents. It appears that some Asian countries such as China and Taiwan are still unable to loosen off the covid reins
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@Frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@gt12 I want it to rip through Taiwan so Taiwan ends the quarantine period still required upon entering. We have students staying home because they are possible contact points of the virus so I have to livestream lessons , which sucks because the parents will see how a real classroom operates ( i.e., me yelling )
Ha ha, Ive been back on campus this year and have lost it a few times - I found online pretty easy as the opportunities for students to get of track were lessened (especially once I signed in with four devices so I could monitor breakout rooms).
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@Frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@gt12 I want it to rip through Taiwan so Taiwan ends the quarantine period still required upon entering. We have students staying home because they are possible contact points of the virus so I have to livestream lessons , which sucks because the parents will see how a real classroom operates ( i.e., me yelling )
It's amazing that Taiwan has been able to keep Omicron out (or under control). Not that this is a good thing in this instance. No politician wants to invite it in, so it is best if it manages to get in anyway.
Looks like there is finally a chink in the Taiwan armour?
Although adding NZ and Aus to that graph shows that the scale for Taiwan is still small and therefore early enough to possibly be turned around if they are stubborn/stupid enough:
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Notable. (Is it the lingonberries?}
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@Kid-Chocolate said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Notable. (Is it the lingonberries?}
Doubtful it’s the lingonberries as Sweden has a higher death rate than Canada, Norway and Finland. In fact Sweden has the highest death rate in the Scandinavian countries by a long way.
More than twice that of Finland and over three times the death rate of Norway. Source: Worldometers.
Whilst comparisons between different countries are not always relatable due to geography, density of population, throughput of visitors and reporting, there are many similarities between the Nordic countries that allow a slightly more meaningful comparison than with say the UK, Germany or Greece.
The Swedish approach to dealing with the pandemic is not, so far, the screaming success it’s fans would have you believe.
Edit: Here’s the link to the information
You can prioritise each set of stats by clicking on the heading of any of the columns, so in this case you’d go to “deaths per 1 M of population” to prioritise the death rate. You can then click on it again to change from highest to lowest. Some interesting stats in there but with the caveat that not all reporting is necessarily as robust or truthful as one would hope. You’d have to take a view on some countries…
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You should copy & paste and send to The Telegraph. Fight the Fake News.
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@Kid-Chocolate said in Coronavirus - Overall:
You should copy & paste and send to The Telegraph. Fight the Fake News.
If they’re the fan boys I think they are, they’d probably just compare Sweden to the US or Peru to try and prove a point!
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@Kid-Chocolate said in Coronavirus - Overall:
You should copy & paste and send to The Telegraph. Fight the Fake News.
The Telegraph has been against lock-downs and had a bias in its reporting since Day One (as, TBF, have the pre-lockdown papers).
The smoke is starting to clear and some countries thought to have been useless (e.g.the UK) turn out to be better than most while others like Germany haven't been as good as thought previously. But don't forget the WHO stats also show lockdown countries had negative excess death rates.
As Chris Whitty has consistently said, we won't know the true picture for 5 or so years.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Kid-Chocolate said in Coronavirus - Overall:
You should copy & paste and send to The Telegraph. Fight the Fake News.
The Telegraph has been against lock-downs and had a bias in its reporting since Day One (as, TBF, have the pre-lockdown papers).
The smoke is starting to clear and some countries thought to have been useless (e.g.the UK) turn out to be better than most while others like Germany haven't been as good as thought previously. But don't forget the WHO stats also show lockdown countries had negative excess death rates.
As Chris Whitty has consistently said, we won't know the true picture for 5 or so years.
Looking back from where we've come, I think it is safe to say successful management of the pandemic is a highly complicated subject, and will differ greatly if people can't agree on universal metrics for success. IMHO, I can see the merit in the Swedish philosophy as a balance to our own strategy
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Absolutely. There are so many variables in approach, reporting, healthcare systems etc that it is virtually impossible to say who has got it rightest or wrongest. As Vic alluded to, we’re unlikely to know one way or another for many years, if ever.
FWIW I think that the Swedish approach was a viable alternative for some countries but for others much less so. In the UK for instance, with a high population density and a creaking health service, maybe not such a good idea.