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    @dan54 been out of NZ coaching circles.

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    @mikey07 What has J. Holland done to miss out on a place in your Coaching Dream Team?

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    @foobanz said in Hurricanes 2022:

    Let's imagine we all get what we want and Holland is out end of the year (with the rest of the coaching group).

    What are the options?

    I saw Ozich mentioned earlier.

    A dream would be Schmidt - he is from Manawatu after all.

    Any other candidates?

    Mark Ozich with Paul Tito as forwards coach? or Jono Gibbes (La Rochelle), Nick Evans (Harlequins), Jason O'Halloran (Suntory), would be some excellent candidates.

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    @higgins said in Hurricanes 2022:

    @mikey07 What has J. Holland done to miss out on a place in your Coaching Dream Team?

    Let's focus on cutting out the poison first? Anyone has to be better than the chancer we have right now

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    @taniwharugby said in Hurricanes 2022:

    @dan54 been out of NZ coaching circles.

    Yep apart from coaching Waihi club side 2020, but get what you mean mate.

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    @kiwi_expat said in Hurricanes 2022:

    @foobanz said in Hurricanes 2022:

    Let's imagine we all get what we want and Holland is out end of the year (with the rest of the coaching group).

    What are the options?

    I saw Ozich mentioned earlier.

    A dream would be Schmidt - he is from Manawatu after all.

    Any other candidates?

    Mark Ozich with Paul Tito as forwards coach? or Jono Gibbes (La Rochelle), Nick Evans (Harlequins), Jason O'Halloran (Suntory), would be some excellent candidates.

    O'Halloran would be excellent.

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    I think you may struggle getting Evans to leave Quins. He and his family are well embedded over there.

    I suspect that O'Halloran is also well set in Japan and he left NZ fairly early on, probably when looking at the queue of numpties ahead of him. You never know with family situations etc.

    Where did Rodders end up? He had some good early wraps on his coaching abilities.

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    @crucial He’s coaching a school/club team in Sri Lanka last I heard.

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    @higgins he’s had his chance…

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    I was curious about all the Canes tries this season, and who was involved. I'm just limiting it to the final phase or 2.

    Saders

    Try 1: Goosen nice break, PUJ inside ball to Love.
    Try 2: Nice work from Proctor & Jordie. Sullivan dots down.
    Try 3: Jordie pops over a ruck.
    Try 4: JGB breaks a tackle or two at the end of the game.

    Blues

    Try 1: Rayasi intercept.
    Try 2: Sullivan nice kick through to Goosen.
    Try 3: PUJ, Love & Rayasi nice interplay.
    Try 4: Flanders, Iose interplay, with a great finish from Rayasi.
    Try 5: Sullivan outside break, to Ardie.

    Highlanders

    Try 1: Rakete-Stones solo effort.
    Try 2: Proctor runs a good line up close.
    Try 3: PUJ good break and runs outside the defenders, nice inside pass to Henry.

    Moana

    Try 1: Good straight tackle bust and run from Jordie.
    Try 2: PUJ nice inside pass to Moorby to finish.
    Try 3: Nice team try, Delany to Fidow to finish.

    Chiefs

    Try 1: TJ intercept.
    Try 2: Ardie, JGB to Goosen nice try in corner.
    Try 3: TJ, Proctor to Love, then nice finish by Julian.
    Try 4: Ardie goes beast mode.

    What's interesting is that 15 tries were by backs, 3 were by forwards but from distance (ie forwards running as backs almost).

    Then the last 1 was the Ardie beast mode try.

    So there have been 0 "boring" forward tries by the Canes this year.

    It's also clear that Rayasi and PUJ are our most dangerous backs when they are actually on the field. Barrett, Love (when at 10) & Sullivan also have heavy involvement.

    Proctor is much improved too. He has some nice touches in the tries he's involved with.

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    @foobanz said in Hurricanes 2022:

    So there have been 0 "boring" forward tries by the Canes this year.

    So there have been 0 "boring" forward tries by the Canes this year.

    Maybe that is a weakness for the Canes.

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    @chris yea - although we clearly have a weaker pack to play a mauling style of game.

    If Coles is fit, and we get some size with IWL & Sangster in the second row it becomes more viable, but it would be a bit foolhardy against most of the Kiwi teams.

    Holland's favourite back row of Kirifi and Prinsep though doesn't add much weight.

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    @foobanz said in Hurricanes 2022:

    @chris yea - although we clearly have a weaker pack to play a mauling style of game.

    If Coles is fit, and we get some size with IWL & Sangster in the second row it becomes more viable, but it would be a bit foolhardy against most of the Kiwi teams.

    Holland's favourite back row of Kirifi and Prinsep though doesn't add much weight.

    I think you have a very good 23 but it is never selected.

    Love at First five young but he does create things,PUJ at Centre Rayasi on the wing is dangerous.
    Walker-Leware at lock or Sangster instead of Blackwell.

    But you boy's already know this.

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    I have a really radical thought it might be worth investing in a forwards coach from the NH someone like Castrogivanni someone with experience just to add some “steel” to the Canes forwards.

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    @mikey07 the irony is Gibbes is a massive human, but he seems to love puff forwards.

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    judging by his Instagram I think Brayden iose might be out for awhile, it's a shame as you'd figure he would've saw a lot of game time coming up against the Aussie teams

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    @foobanz said in Hurricanes 2022:

    @mikey07 the irony is Gibbes is a massive human, but he seems to love puff forwards.

    He is absolutely one of the nicest people you'd ever meet (my mother adores him). I'm not sure whether that is a reason, but I could see him going for 'good' people.

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    There was a comment in the match thread about the media and the Canes. This morning in Stuff we get this from Knowler

    OPINION: Jason Holland's decision to retain Jordie Barrett at second five-eighth may not get unanimous approval in Hurricanes country.

    That's a good thing. The fans are entitled to their views, and if they are yapping about the team it shows they care. It's what makes sport a fun, and engaging, activity.

    It's then up to the coaches and players to prove them wrong, or otherwise.

    Hurricanes coach Holland will be certain of one thing. He can't afford to be distracted by others' opinions and by keeping Barrett at No 12, where he started during the 30-29 loss to the Chiefs last weekend, he will hope the big bloke can bang holes in the Crusaders' defensive line during their Super Rugby Pacific match in Wellington on Saturday night.

    Now, the message is framed around Jordie at 12, a topic that no one is griping at on SM apart from comments regarding best use of the squad (e.g. PUJ and Sullivan) but the 'opinion' comes across as a retelling of a coffee conversation with the coach.

    Interesting

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