Crusaders v Chiefs
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@duluth said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@gt12 said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
Jesus Christ, now they are on Tupaea who had 4 - yes that’s the same number of tackles he made - missed tackles in the game.
Made 5 and missed 4 vs the Blues the week before
One 'miss' on RTS would have troubled God!
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The Crusaders cant get Goodhue back quick enough, just his defensive nous will improve them no end.
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@taniwharugby said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
The Crusaders cant get Goodhue back quick enough, just his defensive nous will improve them no end.
Although defense was not really an issue until the last 5 minutes was it
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@duluth said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@gt12 said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
Jesus Christ, now they are on Tupaea who had 4 - yes that’s the same number of tackles he made - missed tackles in the game.
Made 5 and missed 4 vs the Blues the week before
Funny thing is that I don't really recall them. Seems a very high stat so I wonder about the criteria being used.
Not saying that it isn't correct but something seems fishy.
A midfielder missing half their tackles would be an instant inroad target for the opposition.
I recall Havili making a break that could be one.
Tackle stats at the moment are being counted very high in areas and I wonder whether assists are being counted as made/missed.
We are seeing multiple players with tackle counts in the 20s yet 15 used to be a high number (and for few players) -
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@duluth said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
I noticed it during the game so looked it up
Fair enough. I just started looking through the recording. About 3:30 in Mounga slips through him but he actually did well to even get a touch. A bobbled ball had created 5 Crusaders running at a space covered only by Cane. 4 of them dragged him in then Mounga ran at the hole where Cane would have been. Tupaea moves across and reaches out clipping his leg enough tomake him stumble.
I'm not saying he wasn't at fault but it does show that sometimes a stat doesn't tell the story. That was never his tackle to make but by nearly making it he gets a black mark.
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Just to clarify I noticed it during the Blues game and looked the stats up after that match
QT had a pretty good debut year at AB level. However he did have one issue.. he fell off a lot of tackles he should've made. He needs to tighten his defence up
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@duluth said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
Just to clarify I noticed it during the Blues game and looked the stats up after that match
QT had a pretty good debut year at AB level. However he did have one issue.. he fell off a lot of tackles he should've made. He needs to tighten his defence up
Absolutely this.
I'm a fan of his and I'm really happy that one of the youngsters we signed from that period, has turned out to be AB level.
However, that is a big work on if he wants to cement his position as an AB - Goodhue will at some point be back and he'll be under huge pressures from Goodhue (and RTS).
Ennor will surely loose his spot to FABLF.
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@gt12 said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@duluth said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
Just to clarify I noticed it during the Blues game and looked the stats up after that match
QT had a pretty good debut year at AB level. However he did have one issue.. he fell off a lot of tackles he should've made. He needs to tighten his defence up
Absolutely this.
I'm a fan of his and I'm really happy that one of the youngsters we signed from that period, has turned out to be AB level.
However, that is a big work on if he wants to cement his position as an AB - Goodhue will at some point be back and he'll be under huge pressures from Goodhue (and RTS).
Ennor will surely loose his spot to FABLF.
FABLF was as poor as Ennor last week.
RTS (from the little we have seen) also has some issues with players not running straight at him. Julian Savea consistently got past his shoulder and had to be scragged down.
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@crucial said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@gt12 said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@duluth said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
Just to clarify I noticed it during the Blues game and looked the stats up after that match
QT had a pretty good debut year at AB level. However he did have one issue.. he fell off a lot of tackles he should've made. He needs to tighten his defence up
Absolutely this.
I'm a fan of his and I'm really happy that one of the youngsters we signed from that period, has turned out to be AB level.
However, that is a big work on if he wants to cement his position as an AB - Goodhue will at some point be back and he'll be under huge pressures from Goodhue (and RTS).
Ennor will surely loose his spot to FABLF.
FABLF was as poor as Ennor last week.
RTS (from the little we have seen) also has some issues with players not running straight at him. Julian Savea consistently got past his shoulder and had to be scragged down.
I rewatched some of the game and one of the things that we did well (sometimes by luck just through having so much ball) was keeping the ball out of Jordan and LF's hands. The Saders never really got to use those weapons in the same way that they have during the last couple of weeks.
It will be interesting to see where the go with the midfield, as if TUG is fit, he has to be chosen. That's also likely to be the same spot currently taken by QT.
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@crucial Yes he's still too passive defensively. He drifts sideways without moving forward. It didn't help that he missed the whole Provincial season as he's virtually learning on the job, but more time on the field will probably help iron his deficiances out.
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@african-monkey said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
Yes he's still too passive defensively. He drifts sideways without moving forward.
RTS also tries to tackle too high. Needs to go lower.
The best midfielder in this game was ALB by a country mile. I thought he was brilliant.
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@kiwimurph Yup and that's the league style defence where tackling low in league is forbidden (unless you're the second contact).
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@african-monkey said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@kiwimurph Yup and that's the league style defence where tackling low in league is forbidden (unless you're the second contact).
Interestingly the Chiefs played one of the warmup games tackling very low as if they were trying something. I think that the new interpretation killed the idea though as the idea was to present the ball for a turnover with the second tackler looking to stay up then go for the ball.
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@crucial said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@gt12 said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@duluth said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
Just to clarify I noticed it during the Blues game and looked the stats up after that match
QT had a pretty good debut year at AB level. However he did have one issue.. he fell off a lot of tackles he should've made. He needs to tighten his defence up
Absolutely this.
I'm a fan of his and I'm really happy that one of the youngsters we signed from that period, has turned out to be AB level.
However, that is a big work on if he wants to cement his position as an AB - Goodhue will at some point be back and he'll be under huge pressures from Goodhue (and RTS).
Ennor will surely loose his spot to FABLF.
FABLF was as poor as Ennor last week.
When/if LF gets a run with the ABs I think people are going to be a bit disappointed. He may have a couple of good games for them but in the long run I think he is going to be too slow for a long tern wing option. As for midfield, at this stage I think he is even more limited than RI. Linking is not his strongest point.
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@crazy-horse said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@crucial said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@gt12 said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@duluth said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
Just to clarify I noticed it during the Blues game and looked the stats up after that match
QT had a pretty good debut year at AB level. However he did have one issue.. he fell off a lot of tackles he should've made. He needs to tighten his defence up
Absolutely this.
I'm a fan of his and I'm really happy that one of the youngsters we signed from that period, has turned out to be AB level.
However, that is a big work on if he wants to cement his position as an AB - Goodhue will at some point be back and he'll be under huge pressures from Goodhue (and RTS).
Ennor will surely loose his spot to FABLF.
FABLF was as poor as Ennor last week.
When/if LF gets a run with the ABs I think people are going to be a bit disappointed. He may have a couple of good games for them but in the long run I think he is going to be too slow for a long tern wing option. As for midfield, at this stage I think he is even more limited than RI. Linking is not his strongest point.
Agree sadly. He has the abrasiveness in contact that I think we are lacking. Out of all of our backs only JB brings that.
Ardie at 12 would still be the go. -
@crazy-horse Being a big strong back in internationals won"t get you very far these days, I agree. However, LF looks for space and his positional play is really good. That is the difference between him and Clarke at the moment and that makes him far more effective and potentially so at a higher level IMHO.
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@old-samurai-jack said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@crazy-horse Being a big strong back in internationals won"t get you very far these days, I agree. However, LF looks for space and his positional play is really good. That is the difference between him and Clarke at the moment and that makes him far more effective and potentially so at a higher level IMHO.
Yep agree with your summary on the 2.
