Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022
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A summary of the game from çlubrugby.nz
"Absolute scenes at the Sportz Bar in Whanganui when the Hurricanes charged from 14-32 down to beat the Blues 33-32 on Saturday. The two bartenders proudly wearing Blues attire were teasing the patrons throughout only for the majority of punters to erupt with joy at the end. A hearty and welcoming drinking hole with the complementary rum and coke from a gracious runner-up much appreciated.
The impact of the Hurricanes bench was outstanding with every substitute adding zest, skill and courage.
Braydon Iose was especially eye-catching, adding further strength to an already stacked loose forward department while Ruben Love played without the hesitancy of his start against the Crusaders.
Who in Wellington knew who Justin Sangster was this time last year? He looks the part at this level. A workhorse on defence.
Bailyn Sullivan and Peter Umaga-Jensen flourished in the midfield, young, fast and powerful. Is this the best combination moving forward?
Julian Savea looked more comfortable on the wing and who remembers Billy Procter’s last line break? Fitting in a week where New Zealand lost two larger than life personalities on the wing Fijian Salesi Rayasi shows his real potential and personality with a brilliant hat-trick against the Blues.*"
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@canes4life I certainly don't remember billy procters last line break💀
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@act-crusader said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@dan54 said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@mariner4life said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
Ah yes, the annual Ardie Savea is amazing because he runs a lot.
A test #8 needs to want to hit rucks, and be effective when he does do it. A #8 also needs to be physical in the tackle.
Test rugby is not won by YouTube highlights.
Should be the first name on the bench. Should not start at 8 if playing a decent calibre pack (therefore can start against Australia).
Obviously you never watched Kieran Read a lot, he didn't hit a lot of rucks, wasn't overly agressive at the tackle, just did all his jobs bloody well as Ardie seem to. Most loosies don't hit rucks whether they 6,7, or 8, they are either the one setting up or usually setting up in attack or defence, watch the 6N test from this weekend and see which 8s do it. Besides all else NZ rugby doesn't have to say 8 does this or that so we should, we should pick players that do a job we want them to do, not what's written in manuals!
Maybe in his last couple of years but those earlier years he was a man possessed and played with a high level of physicality at the tackle and ruck. The Kieran crazy eyes were something else and usually meant there was an almost reckless abandon going on.
Some may not have noticed it because he was running down the left flank and giving no look passes to outside backs or scoring tries himself, but I was never concerned about his physicality until his last year or so.
Was never oncerned about his physicality either ACT, never have been about Ardie's either.
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@canes4life said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
who remembers Billy Procter’s last line break?
I got a vague memory of him stepping a semi injured prop in midfied at Hataitai Park a couple of years ago playing for MSP against the Axemen then bursting about three metres downfield before the cover defence got to him. He got sin binned a couple of minutes later!
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@broughie said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@crucial this would work if that is the case and perhaps more dynamic running from all our forwards especially the tight five. I would be happy with Ardie around the fringes with a little more space. I think the attractiveness of a big running 8 is seen across the world in guys like, past and present, Picamoles, Felatau, Vanipola and of course that aussie guy that took us to the woodshed often, Kefu.
Three of whom have Tongan blood. They do seem to produce great 8s.
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@dan54 said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@mariner4life said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
Ah yes, the annual Ardie Savea is amazing because he runs a lot.
A test #8 needs to want to hit rucks, and be effective when he does do it. A #8 also needs to be physical in the tackle.
Test rugby is not won by YouTube highlights.
Should be the first name on the bench. Should not start at 8 if playing a decent calibre pack (therefore can start against Australia).
Obviously you never watched Kieran Read a lot, he didn't hit a lot of rucks, wasn't overly agressive at the tackle, just did all his jobs bloody well as Ardie seem to. Most loosies don't hit rucks whether they 6,7, or 8, they are either the one setting up or usually setting up in attack or defence, watch the 6N test from this weekend and see which 8s do it. Besides all else NZ rugby doesn't have to say 8 does this or that so we should, we should pick players that do a job we want them to do, not what's written in manuals!
Reado became more physical in tackle over his career. BTW anyone notice how much weight he’s los? Bit of a beanpole now.
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@pakman said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@dan54 said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@mariner4life said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
Ah yes, the annual Ardie Savea is amazing because he runs a lot.
A test #8 needs to want to hit rucks, and be effective when he does do it. A #8 also needs to be physical in the tackle.
Test rugby is not won by YouTube highlights.
Should be the first name on the bench. Should not start at 8 if playing a decent calibre pack (therefore can start against Australia).
Obviously you never watched Kieran Read a lot, he didn't hit a lot of rucks, wasn't overly agressive at the tackle, just did all his jobs bloody well as Ardie seem to. Most loosies don't hit rucks whether they 6,7, or 8, they are either the one setting up or usually setting up in attack or defence, watch the 6N test from this weekend and see which 8s do it. Besides all else NZ rugby doesn't have to say 8 does this or that so we should, we should pick players that do a job we want them to do, not what's written in manuals!
Reado became more physical in tackle over his career. BTW anyone notice how much weight he’s los? Bit of a beanpole now.
I noticed that on TV the other day and thought the same thing when.
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@higgins said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@canes4life said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
who remembers Billy Procter’s last line break?
I got a vague memory of him stepping a semi injured prop in midfied at Hataitai Park a couple of years ago playing for MSP against the Axemen then bursting about three metres downfield before the cover defence got to him. He got sin binned a couple of minutes later!
Lol thats harsh Higgins very harsh!!
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@canes4life said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
Julian Savea looked more comfortable on the wing
In general Julian Savea has a pretty poor work rate, hardly noticed him in the match until Umaga-Jensen slotted into the midfield & Julian Savea moved out to his usual wing position where he improved his work rate a bit.
Sangster & Sullivan have really made the most of their opportunities... Canes are looking very good, even our scrum is fairly stable, hope Holland doesn't continue to stuff the team up too much with some of his strange selections.
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@nepia said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
Was it knock who just passed the ball straight to a Canes player? WTF was he thinking?
Gift tries like that shouldn't happen... you know the oppositions defence are basically camping in your backline etc, so attacking players have to be far more alert, this shite happens too often, if he had bothered to have a quick look first he wouldn't have passed the ball.
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@nzbloke said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@canes4life said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
Julian Savea looked more comfortable on the wing
In general Julian Savea has a pretty poor work rate, hardly noticed him in the match until Umaga-Jensen slotted into the midfield & Julian Savea moved out to his usual wing position where he improved his work rate a bit.
Sangster & Sullivan have really made the most of their opportunities... Canes are looking very good, even our scrum is fairly stable, hope Holland doesn't continue to stuff the team up too much with some of his strange selections.
Have to say I like the look of young Sangster, whoever thought to get him down from up north had his thinking cap on. Same as Sullivan, though I will say one game doesn't make a season, but he's started better than I thought.
Who would of thought, perhaps these fella coaching etc do know more than us internet warriors! -
@dan54 yeah Sangster has been a great find for the Canes. Does anyone know his weight and height because he looks pretty solid?
Scrafton should be back aswell this week so atleast now we should have a proper lock on the bench.
I'm really intrigued to see the side for this week, surely Holland has realised after Saturday that the likes of Iose, Flanders, Umaga-Jensen and Love should all be starting.
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@dan54 said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@pakman said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@dan54 said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@mariner4life said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
Ah yes, the annual Ardie Savea is amazing because he runs a lot.
A test #8 needs to want to hit rucks, and be effective when he does do it. A #8 also needs to be physical in the tackle.
Test rugby is not won by YouTube highlights.
Should be the first name on the bench. Should not start at 8 if playing a decent calibre pack (therefore can start against Australia).
Obviously you never watched Kieran Read a lot, he didn't hit a lot of rucks, wasn't overly agressive at the tackle, just did all his jobs bloody well as Ardie seem to. Most loosies don't hit rucks whether they 6,7, or 8, they are either the one setting up or usually setting up in attack or defence, watch the 6N test from this weekend and see which 8s do it. Besides all else NZ rugby doesn't have to say 8 does this or that so we should, we should pick players that do a job we want them to do, not what's written in manuals!
Reado became more physical in tackle over his career. BTW anyone notice how much weight he’s los? Bit of a beanpole now.
I noticed that on TV the other day and thought the same thing when.
He looked much more like an ex cricket player than rugby player during the Black Clash recently that’s for sure.
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@dan54 said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@nzbloke said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@canes4life said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
Julian Savea looked more comfortable on the wing
In general Julian Savea has a pretty poor work rate, hardly noticed him in the match until Umaga-Jensen slotted into the midfield & Julian Savea moved out to his usual wing position where he improved his work rate a bit.
Sangster & Sullivan have really made the most of their opportunities... Canes are looking very good, even our scrum is fairly stable, hope Holland doesn't continue to stuff the team up too much with some of his strange selections.
Have to say I like the look of young Sangster
Yeah, Sangster has impressed a lot, he's 115kg... him & Scrafton would be a top locking pair for the Canes.
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@nzzp think there are plenty of positives to take from that game, realistically, the Blues should have had more points on the board anyway, putting it beyond reach, but that's way things roll.
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@taniwharugby said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@nzzp think there are plenty of positives to take from that game, realistically, the Blues should have had more points on the board anyway, putting it beyond reach, but that's way things roll.
yep,
I'm super annoyed that we lost (but that's normal) - but given the buildup, it gets an asterisk. Ya gotta win them, though.
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@nzzp said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
just watched the last play.
Honestly, the Blues looked cooked. They were falling off tackles all over the place - RTS was one of many.
I wouldn't panic, looked way more like lack of preseason and condtioning (ie no match fitness) than structural issues.
Much as I a happy Canes man NZZP, I kind of agree, I said it another post I not absolutely we would of won that if it wasn't Blues first game, nothing like having a game or 2 under the belt to get a bit of fitness.
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@canes4life said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@dan54 yeah Sangster has been a great find for the Canes. Does anyone know his weight and height because he looks pretty solid?
Scrafton should be back aswell this week so atleast now we should have a proper lock on the bench.
I'm really intrigued to see the side for this week, surely Holland has realised after Saturday that the likes of Iose, Flanders, Umaga-Jensen and Love should all be starting.
You would think so, but, after all this time I don't hold out hope. We've been here before with Holland. He will occasionally select these guys but never gives them an extended run.
PUJ should be a nailed on starter this season.
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@taniwharugby said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@nzzp think there are plenty of positives to take from that game, realistically, the Blues should have had more points on the board anyway, putting it beyond reach, but that's way things roll.
If Plummer could fucking kick at a level required at this level, you'd have had just enough in the bank.
Although Plummer has improved a bit, I wondered why Zarn wasn't kicking, I seem to remember him getting the duties last year.
