Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022
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@crucial said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
As for Sullivan the older. Looks like something has clicked with him.
It's probably just something as simple as him maturing. Most players don't find their feet until about the age of 23 so he's probably in a good space off the field which is helping him on it.
The way he played on Saturday, he's certainly a welcome addition to a long line of awesome Hurricane centres.
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@canes4life said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@crucial said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
As for Sullivan the older. Looks like something has clicked with him.
It's probably just something as simple as him maturing. Most players don't find their feet until about the age of 23 so he's probably in a good space off the field which is helping him on it.
The way he played on Saturday, he's a welcome addition to a long line of awesome Hurricane centres.
Let's hope Holland keeps him there and adds PUJ at 12 to partner him going forward.Lucky for him that the Chiefs let him go and he has a chance to shine. He wasn't going to get too much of a chance behind two ABs at the Chiefs and a proven stand in with Nankivell.
Some players miss that opportunity when they 'click' as they are tied in to a contract somewhere.
Good luck to him.At the top level I'm not convinced on RIoane orHavili as great options. ALB is class but doesn't always ask questions of the defence.
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This was a good little tanty after that losing try was scored.
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@canes4life said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@crucial said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
As for Sullivan the older. Looks like something has clicked with him.
It's probably just something as simple as him maturing. Most players don't find their feet until about the age of 23 so he's probably in a good space off the field which is helping him on it.
Sullivan's confidence should have been high coming off his season for Waikato, particularly the SF and final. In the handful of games he played for the Chiefs more would have been on the wing than at centre. Watch Holland replace him with Proctor now.
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@bovidae good point, I didn't realise he had so much pace aswell. His acceleration from standing still looks to be a great asset, and I think having someone like Goosen outside him will give the Canes a deadly right side with that speed. But again, wishful thinking with the coach we have.
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@dan54 said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@mariner4life said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
Ah yes, the annual Ardie Savea is amazing because he runs a lot.
A test #8 needs to want to hit rucks, and be effective when he does do it. A #8 also needs to be physical in the tackle.
Test rugby is not won by YouTube highlights.
Should be the first name on the bench. Should not start at 8 if playing a decent calibre pack (therefore can start against Australia).
Obviously you never watched Kieran Read a lot, he didn't hit a lot of rucks, wasn't overly agressive at the tackle, just did all his jobs bloody well as Ardie seem to. Most loosies don't hit rucks whether they 6,7, or 8, they are either the one setting up or usually setting up in attack or defence, watch the 6N test from this weekend and see which 8s do it. Besides all else NZ rugby doesn't have to say 8 does this or that so we should, we should pick players that do a job we want them to do, not what's written in manuals!
Maybe in his last couple of years but those earlier years he was a man possessed and played with a high level of physicality at the tackle and ruck. The Kieran crazy eyes were something else and usually meant there was an almost reckless abandon going on.
Some may not have noticed it because he was running down the left flank and giving no look passes to outside backs or scoring tries himself, but I was never concerned about his physicality until his last year or so.
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@act-crusader said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
The Kieran crazy eyes were something else and usually meant there was an almost reckless abandon going on.
+1
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A summary of the game from çlubrugby.nz
"Absolute scenes at the Sportz Bar in Whanganui when the Hurricanes charged from 14-32 down to beat the Blues 33-32 on Saturday. The two bartenders proudly wearing Blues attire were teasing the patrons throughout only for the majority of punters to erupt with joy at the end. A hearty and welcoming drinking hole with the complementary rum and coke from a gracious runner-up much appreciated.
The impact of the Hurricanes bench was outstanding with every substitute adding zest, skill and courage.
Braydon Iose was especially eye-catching, adding further strength to an already stacked loose forward department while Ruben Love played without the hesitancy of his start against the Crusaders.
Who in Wellington knew who Justin Sangster was this time last year? He looks the part at this level. A workhorse on defence.
Bailyn Sullivan and Peter Umaga-Jensen flourished in the midfield, young, fast and powerful. Is this the best combination moving forward?
Julian Savea looked more comfortable on the wing and who remembers Billy Procter’s last line break? Fitting in a week where New Zealand lost two larger than life personalities on the wing Fijian Salesi Rayasi shows his real potential and personality with a brilliant hat-trick against the Blues.*"
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@canes4life I certainly don't remember billy procters last line break💀
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@act-crusader said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@dan54 said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@mariner4life said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
Ah yes, the annual Ardie Savea is amazing because he runs a lot.
A test #8 needs to want to hit rucks, and be effective when he does do it. A #8 also needs to be physical in the tackle.
Test rugby is not won by YouTube highlights.
Should be the first name on the bench. Should not start at 8 if playing a decent calibre pack (therefore can start against Australia).
Obviously you never watched Kieran Read a lot, he didn't hit a lot of rucks, wasn't overly agressive at the tackle, just did all his jobs bloody well as Ardie seem to. Most loosies don't hit rucks whether they 6,7, or 8, they are either the one setting up or usually setting up in attack or defence, watch the 6N test from this weekend and see which 8s do it. Besides all else NZ rugby doesn't have to say 8 does this or that so we should, we should pick players that do a job we want them to do, not what's written in manuals!
Maybe in his last couple of years but those earlier years he was a man possessed and played with a high level of physicality at the tackle and ruck. The Kieran crazy eyes were something else and usually meant there was an almost reckless abandon going on.
Some may not have noticed it because he was running down the left flank and giving no look passes to outside backs or scoring tries himself, but I was never concerned about his physicality until his last year or so.
Was never oncerned about his physicality either ACT, never have been about Ardie's either.
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@canes4life said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
who remembers Billy Procter’s last line break?
I got a vague memory of him stepping a semi injured prop in midfied at Hataitai Park a couple of years ago playing for MSP against the Axemen then bursting about three metres downfield before the cover defence got to him. He got sin binned a couple of minutes later!
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@broughie said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@crucial this would work if that is the case and perhaps more dynamic running from all our forwards especially the tight five. I would be happy with Ardie around the fringes with a little more space. I think the attractiveness of a big running 8 is seen across the world in guys like, past and present, Picamoles, Felatau, Vanipola and of course that aussie guy that took us to the woodshed often, Kefu.
Three of whom have Tongan blood. They do seem to produce great 8s.
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@dan54 said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@mariner4life said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
Ah yes, the annual Ardie Savea is amazing because he runs a lot.
A test #8 needs to want to hit rucks, and be effective when he does do it. A #8 also needs to be physical in the tackle.
Test rugby is not won by YouTube highlights.
Should be the first name on the bench. Should not start at 8 if playing a decent calibre pack (therefore can start against Australia).
Obviously you never watched Kieran Read a lot, he didn't hit a lot of rucks, wasn't overly agressive at the tackle, just did all his jobs bloody well as Ardie seem to. Most loosies don't hit rucks whether they 6,7, or 8, they are either the one setting up or usually setting up in attack or defence, watch the 6N test from this weekend and see which 8s do it. Besides all else NZ rugby doesn't have to say 8 does this or that so we should, we should pick players that do a job we want them to do, not what's written in manuals!
Reado became more physical in tackle over his career. BTW anyone notice how much weight he’s los? Bit of a beanpole now.
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@pakman said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@dan54 said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@mariner4life said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
Ah yes, the annual Ardie Savea is amazing because he runs a lot.
A test #8 needs to want to hit rucks, and be effective when he does do it. A #8 also needs to be physical in the tackle.
Test rugby is not won by YouTube highlights.
Should be the first name on the bench. Should not start at 8 if playing a decent calibre pack (therefore can start against Australia).
Obviously you never watched Kieran Read a lot, he didn't hit a lot of rucks, wasn't overly agressive at the tackle, just did all his jobs bloody well as Ardie seem to. Most loosies don't hit rucks whether they 6,7, or 8, they are either the one setting up or usually setting up in attack or defence, watch the 6N test from this weekend and see which 8s do it. Besides all else NZ rugby doesn't have to say 8 does this or that so we should, we should pick players that do a job we want them to do, not what's written in manuals!
Reado became more physical in tackle over his career. BTW anyone notice how much weight he’s los? Bit of a beanpole now.
I noticed that on TV the other day and thought the same thing when.
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@higgins said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@canes4life said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
who remembers Billy Procter’s last line break?
I got a vague memory of him stepping a semi injured prop in midfied at Hataitai Park a couple of years ago playing for MSP against the Axemen then bursting about three metres downfield before the cover defence got to him. He got sin binned a couple of minutes later!
Lol thats harsh Higgins very harsh!!
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@canes4life said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
Julian Savea looked more comfortable on the wing
In general Julian Savea has a pretty poor work rate, hardly noticed him in the match until Umaga-Jensen slotted into the midfield & Julian Savea moved out to his usual wing position where he improved his work rate a bit.
Sangster & Sullivan have really made the most of their opportunities... Canes are looking very good, even our scrum is fairly stable, hope Holland doesn't continue to stuff the team up too much with some of his strange selections.
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@nepia said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
Was it knock who just passed the ball straight to a Canes player? WTF was he thinking?
Gift tries like that shouldn't happen... you know the oppositions defence are basically camping in your backline etc, so attacking players have to be far more alert, this shite happens too often, if he had bothered to have a quick look first he wouldn't have passed the ball.
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@nzbloke said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@canes4life said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
Julian Savea looked more comfortable on the wing
In general Julian Savea has a pretty poor work rate, hardly noticed him in the match until Umaga-Jensen slotted into the midfield & Julian Savea moved out to his usual wing position where he improved his work rate a bit.
Sangster & Sullivan have really made the most of their opportunities... Canes are looking very good, even our scrum is fairly stable, hope Holland doesn't continue to stuff the team up too much with some of his strange selections.
Have to say I like the look of young Sangster, whoever thought to get him down from up north had his thinking cap on. Same as Sullivan, though I will say one game doesn't make a season, but he's started better than I thought.
Who would of thought, perhaps these fella coaching etc do know more than us internet warriors! -
@dan54 yeah Sangster has been a great find for the Canes. Does anyone know his weight and height because he looks pretty solid?
Scrafton should be back aswell this week so atleast now we should have a proper lock on the bench.
I'm really intrigued to see the side for this week, surely Holland has realised after Saturday that the likes of Iose, Flanders, Umaga-Jensen and Love should all be starting.
