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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Uh oh, the sky isnt falling!!
Due in part to the vaxxing, boostering and restrictions as explained in the article.
Much of the previous modelling was a case of 'if we don't do this then this will happen'. We have done things so the result will be different (lower)
Yeah that’s why Cindy is getting world wide wraps, our govts response is consistently used as best practice example. You might not like her politics, but she is an excellent communicator and has held together the nation pretty well. Obvs we’ve now got pretty much to the end goal, and once this Omicron wave has passed things will have to ramp down. In fact they already are
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@machpants
"Businesses will self-assess against criteria to join the scheme."Fuck sake. Does this government never learn? Are they too afraid to define what industries or too incompetent? Or both?
Might as well do away with self-isolation all together coz every business is suddenly going to meet the required self-assessment threshold....
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@machpants
"Businesses will self-assess against criteria to join the scheme."Fuck sake. Does this government never learn? Are they too afraid to define what industries or too incompetent? Or both?
Might as well do away with self-isolation all together coz every business is suddenly going to meet the required self-assessment threshold....
Perhaps they're just smart enough to implement a system that does exactly that? That way they can blame business for the increase in cases...
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@antipodean oooh Is cynicism your super power
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean oooh Is cynicism your super power
Well I think you are both right, defining a loose framework for people to self assess means you can take credit if they do it right and blame the business if they get it wrong. This is then publicised without ever blaming their own original framework which may have also only been defined that way because they were afraid and incompetent to make a decision.
This is a common political strategy now, its about staying in power
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean oooh Is cynicism your super power
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@hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Someone just got arrested wearing white socks and sandals! I hope that was the reason alone! Dickhead
EDIT: Cheers @Duluth I didn't realise I was posting in wrong thread!
I thought that arrests were being made for filming in portrait.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I agree the media have been very easy on St Cindy. A lot of the coverage has been cringeworthy. I also hate the way she is so chummy with them. It is a very small press gallery and I posit that when the PM addresses you live on TV by your first name and makes jokes about your weekend some of your neutrality is eroded. Just human nature. It also seems that the same handful are called on. Quite masterful manipulation of the media.
Indeed. Cindy is phenomenal at PR, no doubt about that.
However I don't agree with your implication that NZ has been in lockdown after lockdown. Speaking of media this appears to me to be a case of northern hemisphere media behaving in exactly the same manner as their counterparts in NZ are but from the opposite position. Just as NZ media are falling over themselves to say how great NZ's pandemic response has been so too are overseas outlets running very biased reporting on how bad it has been. Anything to discredit it.
Not quite. You seem to think this is the blanket approach from the NH, but it's simply not the case. All the way through 2020, they couldn't get enough of her. It was everywhere and it was ALL positive. I remember the 2021 New Years when they showed NZ out 'n about celebrating whilst most of Europe was locked down. It was all about St Jacinda. The whole lot.
Nowadays it's still about 60% positive, but there is a lot more negativity. Alot of it for the reasons I've been upset about it, but also a lot of it because that's what you get when you consistently behave like smug fuckwits. This isn't directed at you/ferners or anybody in particular, but there is such a massive radiance of supreme smugness rolling out of NZ, that people who have really had to battle the last 2 years, and I mean really fucking battle, have had a gutsful of it & are looking for any opportunity to smear. To quote yourself, just human nature.
I had a conversation today with somebody who said NZ seems a a bit like a cult these days. I'm not sure I agree with that, but it is with somebody I respect who is quite level headed too.
There is a myth being perpetuated that NZ has suffered through hellish lockdowns whereas the opposite is true. Apart from the external border life has continued on as normal for most of NZ apart from around 10 weeks of the last 2 years. Even Akl has only had a hard lockdown for about 4 months. This would make us one of the least locked down countries, but that's not what I read from overseas.
Where do you read that? Most people here are more taking the piss out of shutting down entire cities over a single case. Something that has happened a few times.
I think you've been reading a bit too much of Dan Wootton, myself. He's a bit angry, but like me, he has real skin in the game. And he writes for the Daily Mail. So pretty much so as you'd expect.
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Three resources for businesses about todays news have just landed in my inbox if they are of use to some of you out there:
https://www.business.govt.nz/covid-19/close-contact-exemption-scheme/
https://www.business.govt.nz/covid-19/rapid-antigen-testing/
https://www.business.govt.nz/covid-19/managing-the-impact-of-covid-19-cases-at-your-business/
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
What the media have been doing is pointing out fact AND calling out misinformation. That's not political. That's doing their job.
Horsefeathers. Media has not been adversarial, they’ve not informed, they’ve spoonfed their audiences pharmaganda and smeared everybody who dissents as racists that must be silenced. Since Day One. Then acted like victims and wondering why substantial sections of the public doesn’t trust them.
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@majorrage Fair points. I certainly agree that the media coverage was in the main very positive through until NH Summer 2021 - then it slowly seemed to have turned. More in opeds TBF by agendaists who wanted to discredit a left wing government. I can't quote any of these as it's just a building impression. Maybe more social media than mainstream - although I don't really follow the twitterati.
I certainly would be incandescent at the smugness you correctly observe. Particularly in light of the fact that I think @Frank is wrong. The governments main strategy hasn't been around lockdowns. It has been 'be lucky'.
Fortunately for NZ (I hope) it looks likely the luck will continue to hold.
The government in NZ did do a lot right, but fuck haven't they dined out on it for two years. they've also done a shit load wrong and gotten away with it. Covid has been manna from heaven in terms of distracting the electorate from their many abject failures to deliver across all the other portfolios as well.
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@crucial I have been impressed with Stuff recently in the fact that they are presenting a lot information on vaccines and giving a voice to moderates, especially in the opinion pieces. Previously it was very "Guardian-like".
But they still stick up fear-mongering COVID-19 articles along with photos of people with full protective gear on. Apologizing for past mistakes (misrepresenting Maori/ Pasifica etc) and then doing the same old thing (misrepresentation/sensationalism, etc) but in a different modern context smacks of virtue signaling without any substance. -
@old-samurai-jack said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial I have been impressed with Stuff recently in the fact that they are presenting a lot information on vaccines and giving a voice to moderates, especially in the opinion pieces. Previously it was very "Guardian-like".
But they still stick up fear-mongering COVID-19 articles along with photos of people with full protective gear on. Apologizing for past mistakes (misrepresenting Maori/ Pasifica etc) and then doing the same old thing (misrepresentation/sensationalism, etc) but in a different modern context smacks of virtue signaling without any substance.Photos of people in PPE? That's scaremongering? PPE is simply risk control. No different to other PPE like wearing safety boot.
Anyway, I went looking for this scaremongering stuff and sucking up to govt. It wasn't a deep or scientific search by any means but hear are some examples that confuse me when I hear those statements made.
Quote: The pandemic is in a somewhat mind-bending space. An individual’s risk (assuming they’ve been fully vaccinated) of dying with Covid is the lowest it’s been. As new treatments come online those risks fall even further.
Then we have articles critical of the govt and MIQ. This one includes links to other articles also critical
Then we have this one suggesting people 'on both sides' pull their heads in and stop being dicks.
and this one criticising making school kids wear masks..
I'm not going in to bat for Stuff and of course they can be guilty of having an editorial slant but the examples above seem to me to fly in the face of the accusations
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@old-samurai-jack said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial I have been impressed with Stuff recently in the fact that they are presenting a lot information on vaccines and giving a voice to moderates, especially in the opinion pieces. Previously it was very "Guardian-like".
But they still stick up fear-mongering COVID-19 articles along with photos of people with full protective gear on. Apologizing for past mistakes (misrepresenting Maori/ Pasifica etc) and then doing the same old thing (misrepresentation/sensationalism, etc) but in a different modern context smacks of virtue signaling without any substance.Photos of people in PPE? That's scaremongering? PPE is simply risk control. No different to other PPE like wearing safety boot.
Anyway, I went looking for this scaremongering stuff and sucking up to govt. It wasn't a deep or scientific search by any means but hear are some examples that confuse me when I hear those statements made.
Quote: The pandemic is in a somewhat mind-bending space. An individual’s risk (assuming they’ve been fully vaccinated) of dying with Covid is the lowest it’s been. As new treatments come online those risks fall even further.
Then we have articles critical of the govt and MIQ. This one includes links to other articles also critical
Then we have this one suggesting people 'on both sides' pull their heads in and stop being dicks.
and this one criticising making school kids wear masks..
I'm not going in to bat for Stuff and of course they can be guilty of having an editorial slant but the examples above seem to me to fly in the face of the accusations
Given my disgust for the government (essentially) locking out citizens, I can't be objective on this, but those links show some nice recency bias - in 2022 the tide has turned against the government, but for pretty much two years, NZ was celebrated for 'strategy' which ignored the fact that it had locked itself off from the world (almost exactly two years ago, google tells me):
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@gt12 I get that (also see that you aren't comparing like for like and that all the examples back at my position seem to be from the Guardian )
Unfortunately Stuff has a mess of an internal search engine to try and track how their messaging is going but recency bias or not my original point was that protesters abusing media (including Stuff journos) seems to be at odds with what they publish.
Also it is an insult to everyone else that we apparently cant identify bias or assess articles we read. The media don't make laws.
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Did a google search for MIQ in the beginning of last year
Media pushes minister's office for unpublished report that was then redacted. Didn't paint the govt in a good light but was pushed for by journo to report to public
Criticism of testing at MIQ given publicity.
Facts around how MIQ works. No judgement given either way or comment on requirement.
Again, my searches aren't exhaustive but I am struggling to find examples of promoting the govts view above others and especially struggling to find 'lies'
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@gt12 I get that (also see that you aren't comparing like for like and that all the examples back at my position seem to be from the Guardian )
Unfortunately Stuff has a mess of an internal search engine to try and track how their messaging is going but recency bias or not my original point was that protesters abusing media (including Stuff journos) seems to be at odds with what they publish.
Also it is an insult to everyone else that we apparently cant identify bias or assess articles we read. The media don't make laws.
I'm not talking about the shit journalism you get in NZ, I'm talking about the fawning coverage of our dear leader overseas (I'll add a few NZ sources too).
I think that is the point being missed here - if you are in NZ, you are likely to be getting a very different view to those not in NZ (who also happen to be locked out):
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52344299
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/11-05-2020/a-masterclass-in-mass-communication-and-control
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Mike Hosking has been a strident local critic throughout (Herald columns, but more prominently on air on Newstalk ZB).
Even if he did delight in taking strong and sometimes polar opposite positions in the early stages of it all in March 2020. ('Why are they closing the border? ... Why didn't they close the border sooner?' with little apparent trace of self awareness at the time )
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I can't help myself, sorry. This discussion has really pissed me off.
I can't believe we don't have consensus that the world has been cumming themselves over Jacinda:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/23/world/asia/jacinda-ardern-coronavirus-new-zealand.html
https://www.dw.com/en/jacinda-ardern-leadership-in-coronavirus-response/a-53733397
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/08/coronavirus-leadership-women-leaders-jacinda-ardern/
https://gateleyplc.com/insight/quick-reads/five-lessons-all-leaders-can-learn-from-jacinda-ardern/
https://hbr.org/2020/04/what-good-leadership-looks-like-during-this-pandemic
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/21/global-emergency-women-are-showing-how-lead/
https://medium.com/scicomm/what-jacinda-arden-can-teach-us-about-science-communication-6f8fc42712b4
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@gt12 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I can't help myself, sorry. This discussion has really pissed me off.
I can't believe we don't have consensus that the world has been cumming themselves over Jacinda:
I think we do. No one suggested otherwise.
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