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Three resources for businesses about todays news have just landed in my inbox if they are of use to some of you out there:
https://www.business.govt.nz/covid-19/close-contact-exemption-scheme/
https://www.business.govt.nz/covid-19/rapid-antigen-testing/
https://www.business.govt.nz/covid-19/managing-the-impact-of-covid-19-cases-at-your-business/
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
What the media have been doing is pointing out fact AND calling out misinformation. That's not political. That's doing their job.
Horsefeathers. Media has not been adversarial, they’ve not informed, they’ve spoonfed their audiences pharmaganda and smeared everybody who dissents as racists that must be silenced. Since Day One. Then acted like victims and wondering why substantial sections of the public doesn’t trust them.
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@majorrage Fair points. I certainly agree that the media coverage was in the main very positive through until NH Summer 2021 - then it slowly seemed to have turned. More in opeds TBF by agendaists who wanted to discredit a left wing government. I can't quote any of these as it's just a building impression. Maybe more social media than mainstream - although I don't really follow the twitterati.
I certainly would be incandescent at the smugness you correctly observe. Particularly in light of the fact that I think @Frank is wrong. The governments main strategy hasn't been around lockdowns. It has been 'be lucky'.
Fortunately for NZ (I hope) it looks likely the luck will continue to hold.
The government in NZ did do a lot right, but fuck haven't they dined out on it for two years. they've also done a shit load wrong and gotten away with it. Covid has been manna from heaven in terms of distracting the electorate from their many abject failures to deliver across all the other portfolios as well.
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@crucial I have been impressed with Stuff recently in the fact that they are presenting a lot information on vaccines and giving a voice to moderates, especially in the opinion pieces. Previously it was very "Guardian-like".
But they still stick up fear-mongering COVID-19 articles along with photos of people with full protective gear on. Apologizing for past mistakes (misrepresenting Maori/ Pasifica etc) and then doing the same old thing (misrepresentation/sensationalism, etc) but in a different modern context smacks of virtue signaling without any substance. -
@old-samurai-jack said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial I have been impressed with Stuff recently in the fact that they are presenting a lot information on vaccines and giving a voice to moderates, especially in the opinion pieces. Previously it was very "Guardian-like".
But they still stick up fear-mongering COVID-19 articles along with photos of people with full protective gear on. Apologizing for past mistakes (misrepresenting Maori/ Pasifica etc) and then doing the same old thing (misrepresentation/sensationalism, etc) but in a different modern context smacks of virtue signaling without any substance.Photos of people in PPE? That's scaremongering? PPE is simply risk control. No different to other PPE like wearing safety boot.
Anyway, I went looking for this scaremongering stuff and sucking up to govt. It wasn't a deep or scientific search by any means but hear are some examples that confuse me when I hear those statements made.
Quote: The pandemic is in a somewhat mind-bending space. An individual’s risk (assuming they’ve been fully vaccinated) of dying with Covid is the lowest it’s been. As new treatments come online those risks fall even further.
Then we have articles critical of the govt and MIQ. This one includes links to other articles also critical
Then we have this one suggesting people 'on both sides' pull their heads in and stop being dicks.
and this one criticising making school kids wear masks..
I'm not going in to bat for Stuff and of course they can be guilty of having an editorial slant but the examples above seem to me to fly in the face of the accusations
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@old-samurai-jack said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial I have been impressed with Stuff recently in the fact that they are presenting a lot information on vaccines and giving a voice to moderates, especially in the opinion pieces. Previously it was very "Guardian-like".
But they still stick up fear-mongering COVID-19 articles along with photos of people with full protective gear on. Apologizing for past mistakes (misrepresenting Maori/ Pasifica etc) and then doing the same old thing (misrepresentation/sensationalism, etc) but in a different modern context smacks of virtue signaling without any substance.Photos of people in PPE? That's scaremongering? PPE is simply risk control. No different to other PPE like wearing safety boot.
Anyway, I went looking for this scaremongering stuff and sucking up to govt. It wasn't a deep or scientific search by any means but hear are some examples that confuse me when I hear those statements made.
Quote: The pandemic is in a somewhat mind-bending space. An individual’s risk (assuming they’ve been fully vaccinated) of dying with Covid is the lowest it’s been. As new treatments come online those risks fall even further.
Then we have articles critical of the govt and MIQ. This one includes links to other articles also critical
Then we have this one suggesting people 'on both sides' pull their heads in and stop being dicks.
and this one criticising making school kids wear masks..
I'm not going in to bat for Stuff and of course they can be guilty of having an editorial slant but the examples above seem to me to fly in the face of the accusations
Given my disgust for the government (essentially) locking out citizens, I can't be objective on this, but those links show some nice recency bias - in 2022 the tide has turned against the government, but for pretty much two years, NZ was celebrated for 'strategy' which ignored the fact that it had locked itself off from the world (almost exactly two years ago, google tells me):
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@gt12 I get that (also see that you aren't comparing like for like and that all the examples back at my position seem to be from the Guardian )
Unfortunately Stuff has a mess of an internal search engine to try and track how their messaging is going but recency bias or not my original point was that protesters abusing media (including Stuff journos) seems to be at odds with what they publish.
Also it is an insult to everyone else that we apparently cant identify bias or assess articles we read. The media don't make laws.
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Did a google search for MIQ in the beginning of last year
Media pushes minister's office for unpublished report that was then redacted. Didn't paint the govt in a good light but was pushed for by journo to report to public
Criticism of testing at MIQ given publicity.
Facts around how MIQ works. No judgement given either way or comment on requirement.
Again, my searches aren't exhaustive but I am struggling to find examples of promoting the govts view above others and especially struggling to find 'lies'
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@gt12 I get that (also see that you aren't comparing like for like and that all the examples back at my position seem to be from the Guardian )
Unfortunately Stuff has a mess of an internal search engine to try and track how their messaging is going but recency bias or not my original point was that protesters abusing media (including Stuff journos) seems to be at odds with what they publish.
Also it is an insult to everyone else that we apparently cant identify bias or assess articles we read. The media don't make laws.
I'm not talking about the shit journalism you get in NZ, I'm talking about the fawning coverage of our dear leader overseas (I'll add a few NZ sources too).
I think that is the point being missed here - if you are in NZ, you are likely to be getting a very different view to those not in NZ (who also happen to be locked out):
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52344299
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/11-05-2020/a-masterclass-in-mass-communication-and-control
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Mike Hosking has been a strident local critic throughout (Herald columns, but more prominently on air on Newstalk ZB).
Even if he did delight in taking strong and sometimes polar opposite positions in the early stages of it all in March 2020. ('Why are they closing the border? ... Why didn't they close the border sooner?' with little apparent trace of self awareness at the time )
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I can't help myself, sorry. This discussion has really pissed me off.
I can't believe we don't have consensus that the world has been cumming themselves over Jacinda:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/23/world/asia/jacinda-ardern-coronavirus-new-zealand.html
https://www.dw.com/en/jacinda-ardern-leadership-in-coronavirus-response/a-53733397
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/08/coronavirus-leadership-women-leaders-jacinda-ardern/
https://gateleyplc.com/insight/quick-reads/five-lessons-all-leaders-can-learn-from-jacinda-ardern/
https://hbr.org/2020/04/what-good-leadership-looks-like-during-this-pandemic
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/21/global-emergency-women-are-showing-how-lead/
https://medium.com/scicomm/what-jacinda-arden-can-teach-us-about-science-communication-6f8fc42712b4
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@gt12 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I can't help myself, sorry. This discussion has really pissed me off.
I can't believe we don't have consensus that the world has been cumming themselves over Jacinda:
I think we do. No one suggested otherwise.
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@gt12 I can't be bothered reading all the articles but it appears from looking at the links that they are all from the very early days of the pandemic i.e. when NZ had a short sharp lockdown and then returned to life as normal while overseas leaders dithered and the death toll mounted?
It's what happened after that - the smug complacency of Kiwis that @MajorRage mentioned and finally more latterly some more objective evaluation of NZ's 'success'
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I've seen it all now.
Some moron at the wellington protests proudly waving a sign that says 'Make influenza great again'You mean like it was in 1918?
Don't discount the possibility there's people out there having fun with sarcasm.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I've seen it all now.
Some moron at the wellington protests proudly waving a sign that says 'Make influenza great again'You mean like it was in 1918?
Don't discount the possibility there's people out there having fun with sarcasm.
I didn't.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I've seen it all now.
Some moron at the wellington protests proudly waving a sign that says 'Make influenza great again'You mean like it was in 1918?
For those who are vaccinated, omicron basically is the flu. For those who are not, probably including those guys,
Who knows
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I've seen it all now.
Some moron at the wellington protests proudly waving a sign that says 'Make influenza great again'You mean like it was in 1918?
For those who are vaccinated, omicron basically is the flu. For those who are not, probably including those guys,
Who knows
Point is that there is no such thing as “the flu”.
It could throw out a dangerous mutation at any time. Thing is that we keep an eye on it, manage it and vaccinate people at risk.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I've seen it all now.
Some moron at the wellington protests proudly waving a sign that says 'Make influenza great again'You mean like it was in 1918?
Don't discount the possibility there's people out there having fun with sarcasm.
I didn't.
But you still called him a moron..? Ok.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I've seen it all now.
Some moron at the wellington protests proudly waving a sign that says 'Make influenza great again'You mean like it was in 1918?
Those people are logical and sane, here’s one explaining to the Police
And well done the NZP, I’d be getting out the batons! Although just getting some spray backbacks, labelling them with Pfizer, and spraying water on the crowds whilst telling them to not worry about it would probably more effective
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