All Blacks 2021
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@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
I did not write this article:
Crusaders enter 2022 with more to prove as last year's worst All Blacks performers
Oddly, however, the All Blacks in Robertson's squad enter 2022 having been categorically some of the worst performers in the national side last year, with the sole exception of Will Jordan.
Harsh but true
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@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
I did not write this article:
Crusaders enter 2022 with more to prove as last year's worst All Blacks performers
Oddly, however, the All Blacks in Robertson's squad enter 2022 having been categorically some of the worst performers in the national side last year, with the sole exception of Will Jordan.
Harsh but true
Beat me to it
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@machpants said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
I did not write this article:
Crusaders enter 2022 with more to prove as last year's worst All Blacks performers
Oddly, however, the All Blacks in Robertson's squad enter 2022 having been categorically some of the worst performers in the national side last year, with the sole exception of Will Jordan.
Harsh but true
Beat me to it
All I can think of reading this is they wouldn't have run through Samisoni (and up to this year I was a Taylor fan).
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/crusaders-enter-2022-with-more-to-prove-as-last-years-worst-all-blacks-performers/
I can't disagree with much of the article. I thought overall Moody was not the worst of the props, but I guess more is expected of him. They kept playing Havili when his confidence was gone (and against big midfields) so I'd actually lay some of the blame at the feet of the coaches. As for Bridge. Well. He only helps across very small and slow moving streams. -
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
this will be taken incorrectly by some but
I have seen many instances in other sports where head coaches are dead men walking, blokes thought ot not have a fucking clue, and the popular opinion was they needed to be sacked. They changed all the assistants and lo, there was a huge turn around in results.
One for a couple of guys on here is Damien Hardwick Richmond were trapped at 9th, they were going nowhere, and everyone thought the coach should get fired. Richmond kept him, but got rid of heaps of others. What, 5 years later he's regarded as basically the best coach in the league, with Richmond being the best side over that time, winning a bunch of flags.
You do realize you are recommending assistant coach changes but also 5 years of Foster as AB head coach?!
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@sbw1 said in All Blacks 2021:
@nostrildamus Does anyone anticipate further regig of the assistant coaching staff?
I like this regig word. But I don't know.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:
@sbw1 said in All Blacks 2021:
@nostrildamus Does anyone anticipate further regig of the assistant coaching staff?
I like this regig word. But I don't know.
I prefer Gallow's for the whole coaching staff.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
Is that a new tactic by the AB coaches against a rushing defence ? ...sounds about right
I am still wondering about your proposed tactics to beat the rush defence please.
Have said before use deep wiper kicks behind them into the corners or towards the sideline, they're all up flat so they have to scramble back, there's always plenty of space behind a flat defence, Frans Steyn did it brilliantly for the Boks against us.
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@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
I did not write this article:
Crusaders enter 2022 with more to prove as last year's worst All Blacks performers
Oddly, however, the All Blacks in Robertson's squad enter 2022 having been categorically some of the worst performers in the national side last year, with the sole exception of Will Jordan.
Harsh but true
Basically saying super rugby is their level, and some not up to test standard I guess, as you say maybe harsh but true.
What the write up says is too many of them (and he mentioning Mounga ) don't step up.
Seems some players like Sammisona? etc are able to step up. I didn't think Barrett waqs bad, and Codie Taylor just looked stuffed. Bridge and Ennor have probably never convinced me at test level either. Yet the likes of Sevu Reece, Jordan etc are quite capable of higher levels, have seen it in rugby for years! -
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
Is that a new tactic by the AB coaches against a rushing defence ? ...sounds about right
I am still wondering about your proposed tactics to beat the rush defence please.
Have said before use deep wiper kicks behind them into the corners or towards the sideline, they're all up flat so they have to scramble back, there's always plenty of space behind a flat defence, Frans Steyn did it brilliantly for the Boks against us.
Thanks. That certainly addresses when we get the ball in the middle of the field (I expect between our 22 and attacking 10m or so) but does potentially give them the ball.
Also, would like your opinion on how to beat it when we want to try and attack with ball in hand closer to the try line.
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@hooroo said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
Of course all the the members are not happy with the current coaching set up fellas, that's a given, otherwise they may as well be on a knitting forum
...I'm saying would like to see more analysing in depth about it.You need to reword your statements to something we understand.
"It amazes me though how some here hardly ever question this current coaching staff - anyone that knows their rugby properly can see where we are going wrong & can also see what adjustments need to be made to fix it."
That doesn't equal what you have just post.
Because have posted it in more detail earlier in this thread, which is basically the following :
Forwards need to take the ball up with much more urgency, then consistently get more numbers there to protect our ball carrier by continually cleaning opposition players out so we can keep securing possession through the phases, also allows us to get quicker recycled ball so 9 & 10 have a bit more time & space to create good attacking opportunities.
Our paymakers in the backs are lacking some composure... they need to be reading situations better & executing more accurately.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
Is that a new tactic by the AB coaches against a rushing defence ? ...sounds about right
I am still wondering about your proposed tactics to beat the rush defence please.
Have said before use deep wiper kicks behind them into the corners or towards the sideline, they're all up flat so they have to scramble back, there's always plenty of space behind a flat defence, Frans Steyn did it brilliantly for the Boks against us.
Thanks. That certainly addresses when we get the ball in the middle of the field (I expect between our 22 and attacking 10m or so) but does potentially give them the ball.
Also, would like your opinion on how to beat it when we want to try and attack with ball in hand closer to the try line.
Don't favour box kicks well within our own territory, reckons there's a less than 50/50 chance of getting the ball back even when it's accurately executed & if they win it in the air they can also attack from broken play... I'd rather kick the ball out on halfway or inside their territory depending where the ball is kicked from, yeah, they will get the throw in, but when you have a lineout it gives you more time to set your defence properly.
Reckon when you're attacking close to the oppositions line through the forwards I wouldn't go directly up the middle too much, keep shifting your pod attacks a few metres wider each time to try & stretch them more, if you can keep possession going through a lot of phases eventually the defence will tire & you're get over the line, also your halfback can read what's going on so he's another option to score the try or see if another back is in a better position to have a crack etc.
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@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
Is that a new tactic by the AB coaches against a rushing defence ? ...sounds about right
I am still wondering about your proposed tactics to beat the rush defence please.
Have said before use deep wiper kicks behind them into the corners or towards the sideline, they're all up flat so they have to scramble back, there's always plenty of space behind a flat defence, Frans Steyn did it brilliantly for the Boks against us.
Thanks. That certainly addresses when we get the ball in the middle of the field (I expect between our 22 and attacking 10m or so) but does potentially give them the ball.
Also, would like your opinion on how to beat it when we want to try and attack with ball in hand closer to the try line.
Don't favour box kicks well within our own territory, reckons there's a less than 50/50 chance of getting the ball back even when it's accurately executed & if they win it in the air they can also attack from broken play... I'd rather kick the ball out on halfway or inside their territory depending where the ball is kicked from, yeah, they will get the throw in, but when you have a lineout it gives you more time to set your defence properly.
Reckon when you're attacking close to the oppositions line through the forwards I wouldn't go directly up the middle too much, keep shifting your pod attacks a few metres wider each time to try & stretch them more, if you can keep possession going through a lot of phases eventually the defence will tire & you're get over the line, also your halfback can read what's going on so he's another option to score the try or see if another back is in a better position to have a crack etc.
Nobody likes the box kick, unless you're Faf or Irish.
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@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@hooroo said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
Of course all the the members are not happy with the current coaching set up fellas, that's a given, otherwise they may as well be on a knitting forum
...I'm saying would like to see more analysing in depth about it.You need to reword your statements to something we understand.
"It amazes me though how some here hardly ever question this current coaching staff - anyone that knows their rugby properly can see where we are going wrong & can also see what adjustments need to be made to fix it."
That doesn't equal what you have just post.
Because have posted it in more detail earlier in this thread, which is basically the following :
Forwards need to take the ball up with much more urgency, then consistently get more numbers there to protect our ball carrier by continually cleaning opposition players out so we can keep securing possession through the phases, also allows us to get quicker recycled ball so 9 & 10 have a bit more time & space to create good attacking opportunities.
Our paymakers in the backs are lacking some composure... they need to be reading situations better & executing more accurately.
and you will well note that this has been more than covered in the ferns existence since Foster has been in charge. The fern has critiqued his every move. We're not new here, mate.
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@hooroo said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@hooroo said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
Of course all the the members are not happy with the current coaching set up fellas, that's a given, otherwise they may as well be on a knitting forum
...I'm saying would like to see more analysing in depth about it.You need to reword your statements to something we understand.
"It amazes me though how some here hardly ever question this current coaching staff - anyone that knows their rugby properly can see where we are going wrong & can also see what adjustments need to be made to fix it."
That doesn't equal what you have just post.
Because have posted it in more detail earlier in this thread, which is basically the following :
Forwards need to take the ball up with much more urgency, then consistently get more numbers there to protect our ball carrier by continually cleaning opposition players out so we can keep securing possession through the phases, also allows us to get quicker recycled ball so 9 & 10 have a bit more time & space to create good attacking opportunities.
Our paymakers in the backs are lacking some composure... they need to be reading situations better & executing more accurately.
and you will well note that this has been more than covered in the ferns existence since Foster has been in charge. The fern has critiqued his every move. We're not new here, mate.
Apologist!!!
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@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
Our paymakers in the backs are lacking some composure... they need to be reading situations better & executing more accurately.
Yeah, Foster made that point.
But what do you think is causing them to read situations so badly and executing more accurately? What do they need to do - apart from playing better - to improve the situation?
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2021:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
Instead of trying to isolate ball carriers on our side and work off turnovers we need to be forcing errors and doing the same.
I don't see any of our Super teams really doing that well except maybe the Blues. We are meeting the opposition on the gain line at best (or using umbrella defenses to try and force the runners back toward the forwards.Pretty much this 100%. We have to question if NZ Super Rugby teams are preparing players for international completion
To be fair to them, that's not their role. If NZR want to use it as a defacto Test competition, then they should ensure the seasonal be rules are conducive rather than the entertainment they've backed.
Agreed. Need for joined-up thinking across the piece is pretty clear to me. Interesting comment you make on "entertainment" - makes me wonder how much the $$ is influencing things more than before
It's entirely possible that he's saddled with donkeys because everyone else was already engaged.
If you're appointing a new coach, wouldn't you want to ensure you had the ducks reasonably in a row, assistant-wise, first?
I always thought applicants had their perspective coaching teams in place, as part of the selection process
That is how it seems to me as well:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/118318823/all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-confirms-john-plumtree-greg-feek-as-assistantsThat will complete, says Foster, the ideal coaching group to take **his** vision for the All Blacks over the next global cycle and put it into practice on the rugby field.[my emphasis].
I haven't found any article suggesting Foster took assistant coach selection advice from NZ rugby.
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@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
Someone find that Rugbypass article about playing off nine and attacking the fringe - they used Grehgan and Larkham at the Brumbies for a lot of their examples.
Sounds like the same as the post above same Brumbies systems during that Gregan and Larkham era.Under David Nucifora's coaching.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:
The "ideal coaching group" well, ideally we wouldn't have lost 3 games last year.
To be fair, didn't we lose 4 games in '09 with 2 in a row and nearly 4 on the trot?
The bloke in charge then probably thought his coaching team was spot-on as well.
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
The bloke in charge then probably thought his coaching team was spot-on as well.
Didn't they rotate coaches responsibilities on the end of year tour that year? To mix things up?
