NZ tour of India
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@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
Paddles average from about 1980 onwards must have been exceptional given he was ( relatively speaking ) a bit of a tear away early in his career.
If that was a guess it's fairly bang on.
It was 1980 and 26 matches before he dipped his avg into the 20s and stayed there. From that point he just slowly brought that avg down. Mainly by being more accurate as his economy rate followed his avg going from mid 3 an over to mid 2.
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@crucial said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
Paddles average from about 1980 onwards must have been exceptional given he was ( relatively speaking ) a bit of a tear away early in his career.
If that was a guess it's fairly bang on.
It was 1980 and 26 matches before he dipped his avg into the 20s and stayed there. From that point he just slowly brought that avg down. Mainly by being more accurate as his economy rate followed his avg going from mid 3 an over to mid 2.
Same wickets at same rate for less runsFrom 1980 onwards.
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@rapido said in NZ tour of India:
@crucial said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
Paddles average from about 1980 onwards must have been exceptional given he was ( relatively speaking ) a bit of a tear away early in his career.
If that was a guess it's fairly bang on.
It was 1980 and 26 matches before he dipped his avg into the 20s and stayed there. From that point he just slowly brought that avg down. Mainly by being more accurate as his economy rate followed his avg going from mid 3 an over to mid 2.
Same wickets at same rate for less runsFrom 1980 onwards.
60 matches, 324 wickets, average 19.70That's some fine numbers but I guess he had to learn some early lessons to become that bowler.
Impressive thing is that once he got it he was pretty consistent and didn't slip away.
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@crucial said in NZ tour of India:
@rapido said in NZ tour of India:
@crucial said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
Paddles average from about 1980 onwards must have been exceptional given he was ( relatively speaking ) a bit of a tear away early in his career.
If that was a guess it's fairly bang on.
It was 1980 and 26 matches before he dipped his avg into the 20s and stayed there. From that point he just slowly brought that avg down. Mainly by being more accurate as his economy rate followed his avg going from mid 3 an over to mid 2.
Same wickets at same rate for less runsFrom 1980 onwards.
60 matches, 324 wickets, average 19.70That's some fine numbers but I guess he had to learn some early lessons to become that bowler.
Impressive thing is that once he got it he was pretty consistent and didn't slip away.
Yeah, 1978 was probably the threshold year for him. That was also when he signed for Notts.
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It took Hadlee from 1973 until 1976 to become a permanent feature of the side, via this 7-23 and 11 wicket haul: https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-tour-of-new-zealand-1975-76-62323/new-zealand-vs-india-3rd-test-63158/full-scorecard
From a fairly vague memory of one of his books, the gist was
- He (or others) felt he was lucky to be selected (ahead of Hedley Howarth, who may have been 12th man?)
- He was only picked to bowl second change... but made the most of it, and the rest began to follow
Notts and professionalism also made a big difference for R J Hadlee.
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@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
It took Hadlee from 1973 until 1976 to become a permanent feature of the side, via this 7-23 and 11 wicket haul: https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-tour-of-new-zealand-1975-76-62323/new-zealand-vs-india-3rd-test-63158/full-scorecard
From a fairly vague memory of one of his books, the gist was
- He (or others) felt he was lucky to be selected (ahead of Hedley Howarth, who may have been 12th man?)
- He was only picked to bowl second change... but made the most of it, and the rest began to follow
Notts and professionalism also made a big difference for R J Hadlee.
100%. If it wasn’t for that he’d just be remembered as a pretty good player, not our GOAT. ( disclaimer: will reassess when KW retires )
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@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
Last week the team wasn't announced until after the toss.
Righto. I predict unchanged apart from Wags for Somerville then.
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@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
It took Hadlee from 1973 until 1976 to become a permanent feature of the side, via this 7-23 and 11 wicket haul: https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-tour-of-new-zealand-1975-76-62323/new-zealand-vs-india-3rd-test-63158/full-scorecard
From a fairly vague memory of one of his books, the gist was
- He (or others) felt he was lucky to be selected (ahead of Hedley Howarth, who may have been 12th man?)
- He was only picked to bowl second change... but made the most of it, and the rest began to follow
Notts and professionalism also made a big difference for R J Hadlee.
100%. If it wasn’t for that he’d just be remembered as a pretty good player, not our GOAT. ( disclaimer: will reassess when KW retires )
It's an interesting question - what does a batsman have to achieve to equal or surpass Hadlee as NZ's GOAT cricketer.
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@godder said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
It took Hadlee from 1973 until 1976 to become a permanent feature of the side, via this 7-23 and 11 wicket haul: https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-tour-of-new-zealand-1975-76-62323/new-zealand-vs-india-3rd-test-63158/full-scorecard
From a fairly vague memory of one of his books, the gist was
- He (or others) felt he was lucky to be selected (ahead of Hedley Howarth, who may have been 12th man?)
- He was only picked to bowl second change... but made the most of it, and the rest began to follow
Notts and professionalism also made a big difference for R J Hadlee.
100%. If it wasn’t for that he’d just be remembered as a pretty good player, not our GOAT. ( disclaimer: will reassess when KW retires )
It's an interesting question - what does a batsman have to achieve to equal or surpass Hadlee as NZ's GOAT cricketer.
be the dominant batsman in the world for an extended period of time.
perform home and away.
dominate the Australians.
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@arhs said in NZ tour of India:
Does Mitchell come in for one of the middle order as well as Wags in?
Interesting idea, should be more in for the seamers for sure, if Mitchell was to be included Im guessing Mr Rahul-Sachin is the one that misses out, Im thinking likely only one change however I am not a selector.
I would have never left Wags out of the last test, so who knows what they are thinking.
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@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
Last week the team wasn't announced until after the toss.
Righto. I predict unchanged apart from Wags for Somerville then.
Odds on - I reckon!
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@chris-b said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
Last week the team wasn't announced until after the toss.
Righto. I predict unchanged apart from Wags for Somerville then.
Odds on - I reckon!
Agreed!
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Been some excellent Cricinfo reads from this week while we wait for the team namings and the toss:
As Tom Blundell presented Rachin Ravindra his New Zealand Test cap in Kanpur last week, the third member of the trio - Devon Conway - was glued to his television some 12,000 kilometres away in Wellington, feeling "gutted" at not being around for his mate's big moment - only an injured hand preventing him from being there on the spot.
The three are the best of friends who live close to each other, play for the same domestic team, frequent coffee shops and restaurants together, drop into each other's homes for meals. They used to spend their free time on the golf course too, until Ravindra put it on hold after being advised by one of their good friends, Sriram Krishnamurthy who is also one of the coaches in Wellington, to stop playing as it could potentially hamper his bat swing.
They bond over other things too, like marathon PlayStation sessions - "sometimes well into the night, 2-3am," laughs Conway - trying to pass missions on Grand Theft Auto. Yet for all the fun off the field, it's the camaraderie through cricket that they cherish and respect the most...
Read on at: Rachin Ravindra - the cricketer you want, and the friend you need
And:
Most memorable knocks by overseas batters on Indian soil have come when the visiting team got the opportunity to bat first; that not only allows them to bat at the best possible time - the first day - but also lets them avoid having to bat in the fourth innings, when the pitch is at its worst for batting. It wasn't that way for Latham, since New Zealand were asked to field first.
The pitch in Kanpur was not a rank turner, but the lack of bounce, and the quality of the Indian spinners, made it tougher for the batters as the game progressed. But Latham stonewalled everything the spinners threw at him, and even his dismissals weren't exactly caused by the bowler trapping him but instead the result of him being over-eager to reach the three-figure mark in the first innings, and a rather lazy shot in the second.
So what did Latham do to negate the Indian spin threat?
More at: How did Tom Latham bat so well on the slow Kanpur pitch against India's spinners?
And then Mr Southee
Forget the results and wickets, they are a byproduct. Just watch again how he bowled to Ravindra Jadeja at the start of the second day, and you will know it was a master at work. Southee had given his side a fitness scare on the first day, walking off with a tight groin. Once assured by medical staff it was not muscular but probably a tendon, he came back. Gingerly.
During that period, India punished the lesser bowlers and went to the final session without losing a wicket. Both Shreyas Iyer and Jadeja had half-centuries to their name when play resumed on day two. Southee had a four-over old ball, but not much else in his favour. There was no movement off the surface or big swing in the air.
Southee went round the wicket and began widish but on a good length. Slowly he worked his way in closer and closer. Four leaves, and then the right-to-left natural swing, and a pretty close lbw appeal that Jadeja survived on umpire's call. Back wide again, and then getting closer and closer, with the seventh ball bang on the stumps and swinging past his defence...
Read on at: Tim Southee and a five-for of rare mastery
And over on Spark Sport, the Northern Brave have a 15 year old player on debut:
IT’S GO TIME FOR NORTHERN BRAVE!!
The first ever Northern Brave (w) side!
The side includes three debutants Holly Topp, Kayley Knight and 15-year-old Tash Wakelin!
The game gets underway from 3:10pm at Seddon Park.
Northern Districts Cricket Association
IT’S GO TIME FOR NORTHERN BRAVE!! The first ever Northern Brave (w) side! The side includes three debutants Holly Topp, Kayley Knight and 15-year-old Tash Wakelin! The game gets underway from...
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A delay - via CricInfo...
8.58am: "Our main concern is the 30-yard (circle) and the bowlers' run-ups," says umpire Nitin Menon. "The conditions will not be 100% because it has rained last two days. But once the sunshine is out, we may get better conditions." Fellow umpire Anil Chaudhary adds: "Safety is the only thing, the rest is fine."
8.42am: We've had a lot of rain leading up to this game in Mumbai, so the toss is delayed. Inspection at 9.30 am. Ajit Agarkar says the sun's not yet out and there are still damp patches on the bowlers' run-ups, so it will take some time to dry out. Commends the ground staff for a sterling job, given the extremely wet weather.
