NZ tour of India
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Waqar Younis was another interesting one.
After 5 test he only had 10 wickets at an average of 46.10.
But by 10 tests he had 53 wickets at an average of 18.54.The longest he could keep that average below 20 was 35 tests, 194 wickets, average 19.72
Final career stats were 373 wickets at 23.56.
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@rapido Steyn is another interesting progression.
After 10 matches he had 38 wickets at 32.58 but by 20 matches had 100 wickets at 22. Consistently kept his avg around that 22 for another 73 matches and 339 wickets! Avg ranged from 21.42 to 23.99. That's amazing consistency
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@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
Paddles average from about 1980 onwards must have been exceptional given he was ( relatively speaking ) a bit of a tear away early in his career.
If that was a guess it's fairly bang on.
It was 1980 and 26 matches before he dipped his avg into the 20s and stayed there. From that point he just slowly brought that avg down. Mainly by being more accurate as his economy rate followed his avg going from mid 3 an over to mid 2.
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@crucial said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
Paddles average from about 1980 onwards must have been exceptional given he was ( relatively speaking ) a bit of a tear away early in his career.
If that was a guess it's fairly bang on.
It was 1980 and 26 matches before he dipped his avg into the 20s and stayed there. From that point he just slowly brought that avg down. Mainly by being more accurate as his economy rate followed his avg going from mid 3 an over to mid 2.
Same wickets at same rate for less runsFrom 1980 onwards.
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@rapido said in NZ tour of India:
@crucial said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
Paddles average from about 1980 onwards must have been exceptional given he was ( relatively speaking ) a bit of a tear away early in his career.
If that was a guess it's fairly bang on.
It was 1980 and 26 matches before he dipped his avg into the 20s and stayed there. From that point he just slowly brought that avg down. Mainly by being more accurate as his economy rate followed his avg going from mid 3 an over to mid 2.
Same wickets at same rate for less runsFrom 1980 onwards.
60 matches, 324 wickets, average 19.70That's some fine numbers but I guess he had to learn some early lessons to become that bowler.
Impressive thing is that once he got it he was pretty consistent and didn't slip away.
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@crucial said in NZ tour of India:
@rapido said in NZ tour of India:
@crucial said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
Paddles average from about 1980 onwards must have been exceptional given he was ( relatively speaking ) a bit of a tear away early in his career.
If that was a guess it's fairly bang on.
It was 1980 and 26 matches before he dipped his avg into the 20s and stayed there. From that point he just slowly brought that avg down. Mainly by being more accurate as his economy rate followed his avg going from mid 3 an over to mid 2.
Same wickets at same rate for less runsFrom 1980 onwards.
60 matches, 324 wickets, average 19.70That's some fine numbers but I guess he had to learn some early lessons to become that bowler.
Impressive thing is that once he got it he was pretty consistent and didn't slip away.
Yeah, 1978 was probably the threshold year for him. That was also when he signed for Notts.
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It took Hadlee from 1973 until 1976 to become a permanent feature of the side, via this 7-23 and 11 wicket haul: https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-tour-of-new-zealand-1975-76-62323/new-zealand-vs-india-3rd-test-63158/full-scorecard
From a fairly vague memory of one of his books, the gist was
- He (or others) felt he was lucky to be selected (ahead of Hedley Howarth, who may have been 12th man?)
- He was only picked to bowl second change... but made the most of it, and the rest began to follow
Notts and professionalism also made a big difference for R J Hadlee.
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@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
It took Hadlee from 1973 until 1976 to become a permanent feature of the side, via this 7-23 and 11 wicket haul: https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-tour-of-new-zealand-1975-76-62323/new-zealand-vs-india-3rd-test-63158/full-scorecard
From a fairly vague memory of one of his books, the gist was
- He (or others) felt he was lucky to be selected (ahead of Hedley Howarth, who may have been 12th man?)
- He was only picked to bowl second change... but made the most of it, and the rest began to follow
Notts and professionalism also made a big difference for R J Hadlee.
100%. If it wasn’t for that he’d just be remembered as a pretty good player, not our GOAT. ( disclaimer: will reassess when KW retires )
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@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
Last week the team wasn't announced until after the toss.
Righto. I predict unchanged apart from Wags for Somerville then.
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@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
It took Hadlee from 1973 until 1976 to become a permanent feature of the side, via this 7-23 and 11 wicket haul: https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-tour-of-new-zealand-1975-76-62323/new-zealand-vs-india-3rd-test-63158/full-scorecard
From a fairly vague memory of one of his books, the gist was
- He (or others) felt he was lucky to be selected (ahead of Hedley Howarth, who may have been 12th man?)
- He was only picked to bowl second change... but made the most of it, and the rest began to follow
Notts and professionalism also made a big difference for R J Hadlee.
100%. If it wasn’t for that he’d just be remembered as a pretty good player, not our GOAT. ( disclaimer: will reassess when KW retires )
It's an interesting question - what does a batsman have to achieve to equal or surpass Hadlee as NZ's GOAT cricketer.
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@godder said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
It took Hadlee from 1973 until 1976 to become a permanent feature of the side, via this 7-23 and 11 wicket haul: https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-tour-of-new-zealand-1975-76-62323/new-zealand-vs-india-3rd-test-63158/full-scorecard
From a fairly vague memory of one of his books, the gist was
- He (or others) felt he was lucky to be selected (ahead of Hedley Howarth, who may have been 12th man?)
- He was only picked to bowl second change... but made the most of it, and the rest began to follow
Notts and professionalism also made a big difference for R J Hadlee.
100%. If it wasn’t for that he’d just be remembered as a pretty good player, not our GOAT. ( disclaimer: will reassess when KW retires )
It's an interesting question - what does a batsman have to achieve to equal or surpass Hadlee as NZ's GOAT cricketer.
be the dominant batsman in the world for an extended period of time.
perform home and away.
dominate the Australians.
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@arhs said in NZ tour of India:
Does Mitchell come in for one of the middle order as well as Wags in?
Interesting idea, should be more in for the seamers for sure, if Mitchell was to be included Im guessing Mr Rahul-Sachin is the one that misses out, Im thinking likely only one change however I am not a selector.
I would have never left Wags out of the last test, so who knows what they are thinking.
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@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
Last week the team wasn't announced until after the toss.
Righto. I predict unchanged apart from Wags for Somerville then.
Odds on - I reckon!
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@chris-b said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
Last week the team wasn't announced until after the toss.
Righto. I predict unchanged apart from Wags for Somerville then.
Odds on - I reckon!
Agreed!
