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  • TheMojomanT Offline
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    wrote on last edited by
    #74

    Fantastic win for PI rugby. It definitely makes PI teams more competitive from next year and RWC 2023 extremely interesting for the likes of Scotland, Italy and potentially Argentina the way their form has been. At a tournament like RWC they may even cause an upset or two of the Top tier nations.

    Anyone seen/got a list of potential teams?

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  • J Offline
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    #75

    @crucial said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    @crazy-horse said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    I think stretching it out to a grandparent is too far.

    In western terms I generally agree (as in 'my granny was born in Scotland and moved to NZ as a child), but in the PI diaspora I think it is fair enough. The country ties are very strong.

    I would also suggest that the ties are strong for the NZ diaspora in Oz, mainly due to proximity. Probably the same for Celtic diaspora in England.

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  • J Offline
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    junior
    replied to MajorRage on last edited by
    #76

    @majorrage said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    So how’s it going to work in the real world?

    All the stars mentioned going to be happy playing for completely amateur unions against their clubs wishes?

    If it forces the PI top brass to get their shit together can only be good. But pissing off your 7 figure payers to play for the PI unions in their current state simply won’t work.

    Dan Leo’s doc was mostly eye opening in the shambolic, corrupt way the countries unions were run. I don’t see how that’s changed here.

    ThThe PI teams will be stronger at each World Cup, but they will still be complete shit shows in between.

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  • NTAN Offline
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    #77

    @junior said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    @crucial said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    @crazy-horse said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    I think stretching it out to a grandparent is too far.

    In western terms I generally agree (as in 'my granny was born in Scotland and moved to NZ as a child), but in the PI diaspora I think it is fair enough. The country ties are very strong.

    I would also suggest that the ties are strong for the NZ diaspora in Oz, mainly due to proximity.

    And the fact every fucking Kiwi at your club will swear on a Bible they were an AB trialist 🙄

    😉

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  • G Offline
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    gibbon rib
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    #78

    I'd be curious to compare a list of unions that voted against this change with a list of teams in the same pool as Tonga or Samoa at the next world cup

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  • KiwiwombleK Offline
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    #79

    I, potentially naively, also think we should give these unions credit. they will still prefer some up and comer over some old hat on the verge of retirement. I think 90% of the cases we'll see are either people that have legit only had one or two caps for their first country or they will bring in one or two senior players in key positions

    I've seen suggestions like Tonga having

    11 Piutau
    12 Laumape
    13 Fekitoa
    14 NMS
    15 Folau

    and Samoa with similar level names, i just cant see it happening, one or two maybe

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  • J Offline
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    junior
    replied to NTA on last edited by
    #80

    @nta said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    @junior said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    @crucial said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    @crazy-horse said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    I think stretching it out to a grandparent is too far.

    In western terms I generally agree (as in 'my granny was born in Scotland and moved to NZ as a child), but in the PI diaspora I think it is fair enough. The country ties are very strong.

    I would also suggest that the ties are strong for the NZ diaspora in Oz, mainly due to proximity.

    And the fact every fucking Kiwi at your club will swear on a Bible they were an AB trialist 🙄

    😉

    To be fair, as soon as Google became a thing, we had a lot less AB trialists turning out at our club...

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  • CrucialC Offline
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    replied to NTA on last edited by Crucial
    #81

    @nta said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    @junior said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    @crucial said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    @crazy-horse said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    I think stretching it out to a grandparent is too far.

    In western terms I generally agree (as in 'my granny was born in Scotland and moved to NZ as a child), but in the PI diaspora I think it is fair enough. The country ties are very strong.

    I would also suggest that the ties are strong for the NZ diaspora in Oz, mainly due to proximity.

    And the fact every fucking Kiwi at your club will swear on a Bible they were an AB trialist 🙄

    😉

    Good to see the club jokes haven’t changed in 20 plus years

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  • BonesB Offline
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    Bones
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    #82

    Joey Carberry and Hadleigh Parkes, come on home...

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  • NTAN Offline
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    NTA
    replied to Crucial on last edited by
    #83

    @crucial said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    @nta said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    @junior said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    @crucial said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    @crazy-horse said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    I think stretching it out to a grandparent is too far.

    In western terms I generally agree (as in 'my granny was born in Scotland and moved to NZ as a child), but in the PI diaspora I think it is fair enough. The country ties are very strong.

    I would also suggest that the ties are strong for the NZ diaspora in Oz, mainly due to proximity.

    And the fact every fucking Kiwi at your club will swear on a Bible they were an AB trialist 🙄

    😉

    Good to see the club jokes haven’t changed in 20 plus years

    I'm not actually joking 🙂

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  • NTAN Offline
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    NTA
    replied to NTA on last edited by
    #84

    @nta said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    @crucial said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    @nta said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    @junior said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    @crucial said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    @crazy-horse said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    I think stretching it out to a grandparent is too far.

    In western terms I generally agree (as in 'my granny was born in Scotland and moved to NZ as a child), but in the PI diaspora I think it is fair enough. The country ties are very strong.

    I would also suggest that the ties are strong for the NZ diaspora in Oz, mainly due to proximity.

    And the fact every fucking Kiwi at your club will swear on a Bible they were an AB trialist 🙄

    😉

    Good to see the club jokes haven’t changed in 20 plus years

    I'm not actually joking 🙂

    @junior makes a good point tho:

    @junior said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    To be fair, as soon as Google became a thing, we had a lot less AB trialists turning out at our club...

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  • StargazerS Offline
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    Stargazer
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    #85

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  • Victor MeldrewV Offline
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    replied to mariner4life on last edited by
    #86

    @mariner4life said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    I have a bridge to sell you

    Paging Eddie Jones...

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  • Dan54D Offline
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    Dan54
    replied to junior on last edited by Dan54
    #87

    @junior said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    @nta said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    @junior said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    @crucial said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    @crazy-horse said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    I think stretching it out to a grandparent is too far.

    In western terms I generally agree (as in 'my granny was born in Scotland and moved to NZ as a child), but in the PI diaspora I think it is fair enough. The country ties are very strong.

    I would also suggest that the ties are strong for the NZ diaspora in Oz, mainly due to proximity.

    And the fact every fucking Kiwi at your club will swear on a Bible they were an AB trialist 🙄

    😉

    To be fair, as soon as Google became a thing, we had a lot less AB trialists turning out at our club...

    Lol club I was involved with in Brisbane, had a young fella come to play had been a NZ colt he told us, I asked him what Cowboy Shaw was like as a coach, his answer was who? I said Mark Shaw who coached the Colts last year. Anyway he never came back to club.
    Mind you even in old days in NZ was known for the odd joker to claim he had a trial, but was in the days when they had 6 trial matches 2 on a wednesday and 1 on the weekend, and some would say hell I got as far as Wednesday trial teams, noone could remember who the hell was in those teams.

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  • BovidaeB Offline
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    Bovidae
    wrote on last edited by
    #88

    Cully's article says that this rule change only passed by a single vote for the 75% majority. We can assume that Arg, Italy, Scotland and Georgia voted against it.

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  • BovidaeB Offline
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    Bovidae
    wrote on last edited by
    #89

    A little background about the Fakatava situation.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/127119582/players-boss-rob-nichol-pushes-world-rugby-to-fix-folau-fakatava-eligibility-anomaly

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  • KiwiwombleK Offline
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    Kiwiwomble
    wrote on last edited by
    #90

    makes me worry a bit if we're that worried about halfback we're asking for rules to be changed

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  • RapidoR Offline
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    wrote on last edited by
    #91

    He could 'fix' it by playing for Tonga.

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  • RapidoR Offline
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    Rapido
    wrote on last edited by Rapido
    #92

    But, anyway.

    Fakatava was never going to meet the original 3 year deadline (May 2020) before the 5 year rule came in. WR extended that time as those who were just going to qualify in time - missed it due to covid cancellations in 2020 (the Pierre Schoeman / James Lowe loophole). A morally mariginal decision anyway, IMO. Marginal? No, down right morally bankrupt.

    So Fakatava was about to unexpectedly benefit from a WR decision and get his qualification a year earlier than anyone had ever planned for.

    When Fakatava set out on this path, he never expected to qualify by this time, unlike others who had their plans disrupted. There is therefore no basis to make an exception for him.

    I can understand his players' union boss trying to push his case, that's their job. I hope it is chucked out though.

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  • mariner4lifeM Offline
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    replied to Rapido on last edited by
    #93

    @rapido said in World Rugby Change Eligibigilty Rules:

    He could 'fix' it by playing for Tonga.

    so much this

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