Foster, Robertson, Rennie etc
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@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I have some sympathy for the guy as he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
We knew this 5 years ago. NZRU did not.
Respectfully, but we really did not. We knew that his record wasn't good, but we didn't know what he was doing behind the scenes with the ABs, alongside some seriously good coaches. So much goes on behind closed doors, there was a chance (small, admittedly) that he had lifted his game, found some depths that weren't readily visible, and vastly improved.
We feared he wasn't up to it, but we didn't know. Pedantic, I know, but we shouldn't retrospectively rewrite history. Otherwise it's like saying we 'know' that Nonu isn't up to it after his effort against Ireland in 2006
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@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I have some sympathy for the guy as he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
We knew this
5 years agowhile he was at the Chiefs. NZRU did not.If he does resign I imagine it will be because of family reasons etc etc.
I tend to agree, it s going to be tough on his family, i did have to edit the length of time though that we knew, I still can't believe he was hired to start with
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@nzzp said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I have some sympathy for the guy as he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
We knew this 5 years ago. NZRU did not.
Respectfully, but we really did not. We knew that his record wasn't good, but we didn't know what he was doing behind the scenes with the ABs, alongside some seriously good coaches. So much goes on behind closed doors, there was a chance (small, admittedly) that he had lifted his game, found some depths that weren't readily visible, and vastly improved.
We feared he wasn't up to it, but we didn't know. Pedantic, I know, but we shouldn't retrospectively rewrite history. Otherwise it's like saying we 'know' that Nonu isn't up to it after his effort against Ireland in 2006
Fair enough....
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... but we knew, ya know
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reckon there is zero chance he resigns. Would you? Be honest.
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@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@crucial said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I have some sympathy for the guy as he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
We knew this 5 years ago. NZRU did not.
If he does resign I imagine it will be because of family reasons etc etc.
Give the man some credit. If he is going to fall on his sword it won't be a sham. I think he would do it early and 'in the best interests' of the team.
The complicating factor is if his assistants and linked to his contract and that he wouldn't leave them in the lurch I think.I don't see where credit is due.
Who the hell comes out and says the team has progressed this year? He is in a dream world. I would hate to see what we looked liked if he though we were regressing.
Massively out of his league
Credit is from being a loyal servant to the game and being part of a great era. Sure he has failings at the top level but that doesn't detract from the person and he doesn't deserve vilification.
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@crucial said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@crucial said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I have some sympathy for the guy as he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
We knew this 5 years ago. NZRU did not.
If he does resign I imagine it will be because of family reasons etc etc.
Give the man some credit. If he is going to fall on his sword it won't be a sham. I think he would do it early and 'in the best interests' of the team.
The complicating factor is if his assistants and linked to his contract and that he wouldn't leave them in the lurch I think.I don't see where credit is due.
Who the hell comes out and says the team has progressed this year? He is in a dream world. I would hate to see what we looked liked if he though we were regressing.
Massively out of his league
Credit is from being a loyal servant to the game and being part of a great era. Sure he has failings at the top level but that doesn't detract from the person and he doesn't deserve vilification.
Welcome to sports. You'll learn a lot.
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@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
reckon there is zero chance he resigns. Would you? Be honest.
I reckon there is Zero chance he resigns.
I don't know if I would be able to do my job after shredding a team from the top to making it mediocre and just be happy to carry on. I like to think I would pull pin but I don't know if I would.
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@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
reckon there is zero chance he resigns. Would you? Be honest.
There's also zero chance NZRU will do anything with Foster this year - perhaps a change in an assistant at most.
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@crucial Seriously being a loyal servant doesnt mean you deserve credit. If you have a performance review and it is terrible, then it tends to indicate you probably should not be in that role or you need a lot of help?
It doesnt mean you should get a tick of approval because you're in the old boys club, that is part of the current cultrual problem, if anything.
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@kiwimurph said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
reckon there is zero chance he resigns. Would you? Be honest.
There's also zero chance NZRU will do anything with Foster this year - perhaps a change in an assistant at most.
The assistants aren't signed up yet, there's hope for deck chair shuffling, if not iceberg avoiding
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@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
reckon there is zero chance he resigns. Would you? Be honest.
The only guy I can recall who even came close to resigning was Wayne Smith
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@machpants said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwimurph said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
reckon there is zero chance he resigns. Would you? Be honest.
There's also zero chance NZRU will do anything with Foster this year - perhaps a change in an assistant at most.
The assistants aren't signed up yet, there's hope for deck chair shuffling, if not iceberg avoiding
Pick his assistants for him and essentially render him as a figurehead
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@canefan said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@machpants said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwimurph said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
reckon there is zero chance he resigns. Would you? Be honest.
There's also zero chance NZRU will do anything with Foster this year - perhaps a change in an assistant at most.
The assistants aren't signed up yet, there's hope for deck chair shuffling, if not iceberg avoiding
Pick his assistants for him and essentially render him as a figurehead
do a gatland, make him "director of rugby"
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@bayimports said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@crucial Seriously being a loyal servant doesnt mean you deserve credit. If you have a performance review and it is terrible, then it tends to indicate you probably should not be in that role or you need a lot of help?
It doesnt mean you should get a tick of approval because you're in the old boys club, that is part of the current cultrual problem, if anything.
Totally misunderstanding the meaning of my words.
Nothing to do with a tick of approval. I was talking about the man himself and how I doubt he would weasel out under a cloud of 'family reasons'. If the NZRU truly sat him down and said they felt it would be in the best interests he would go with that IMO.
He may even do it before being sat down but that's not necessarily how I see it going.Criticise his coaching abilities by all means but saying he isn't man enough to face up to his position and will make up a bullshit cover is a bit on the nose (again IMO)
In other words play the ball, not the man.
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The more I look at this coaching team, the more irritated I get with him and Hansen. Hansen's increasingly being revealed to be a lucky coach.
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@kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@canefan said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@machpants said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwimurph said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
reckon there is zero chance he resigns. Would you? Be honest.
There's also zero chance NZRU will do anything with Foster this year - perhaps a change in an assistant at most.
The assistants aren't signed up yet, there's hope for deck chair shuffling, if not iceberg avoiding
Pick his assistants for him and essentially render him as a figurehead
do a gatland, make him "director of rugby"
Even better, do a "Tana".
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@machpants said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
NZ Rugby has locked Ian Foster in until 2023, but his assistants are not yet signed-up.
More like Ian Foster has locked in NZ rugby until 2023.
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@crucial said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
Sure he has failings at the top level but that doesn't detract from the person and he doesn't deserve vilification.
Vilification?
I tend to think personal weaknesses will be reflected in coaching ability. They are linked.
He isn't ruthless, too nice, not motivating enough, has no overall vision for the team, according to Devine - too unstructured.
