AB Props
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I've seen several people with much better understanding of the dark arts say that de Groot is the future.
Front row of de Groot, Taukei'aho and Ofa would be a good place to start.
Bench of Moody, Coles and ?? to cover.
I was wondering what was wrong with De Groot, I assumed scrummaging as he was lively on the field.
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I don't think we lack for props, its more how those props are being used or played. It's funny how explosive hookers have become when they are very similar in size to many props. I just wonder why props don't seem to have the same ball carrying ability.
Another question, which international props do you think are the best and why perhaps?
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I don't think we lack for props, its more how those props are being used or played. It's funny how explosive hookers have become when they are very similar in size to many props. I just wonder why props don't seem to have the same ball carrying ability.
Another question, which international props do you think are the best and why perhaps?
Furlong is probably the standard setter at TH, can do his core jobs really well and can carry a bit. I think Sinckler is prettty useful too, even though he seems to be a bit of a twat.
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I don't think we lack for props, its more how those props are being used or played. It's funny how explosive hookers have become when they are very similar in size to many props. I just wonder why props don't seem to have the same ball carrying ability.
Another question, which international props do you think are the best and why perhaps?
The French have a couple of good ones too. Cyril Baille and Demba Bamba. Both good carriers and tireless ruck hitters.
I'd say Porter and Furlong are probably in front right now. Both v good at scrummaging and lineout, both carry (Furlong has v good passing skills), both work hard to clear rucks and both are effective, dominant tacklers.
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**I don't think we lack for props, its more how those props are being used or played. It's funny how explosive hookers have become when they are very similar in size to many props. I just wonder why props don't seem to have the same ball carrying ability.
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Another question, which international props do you think are the best and why perhaps?I don’t think this was better exemplified than when Owen Franks and Dane Coles played alongside each other.
Franks had some pretty freaky stats in terms of what he could do with his Olympic weightlifting. So it’s an absolute mystery why it took little more than a blade of grass for him to hit the deck while carrying the ball.
Some of the recent AB props seem to have taken his open play game to another level again. Laulala looks like the stereotypical fat kid who just gets in the way, fucks things up and does nothing else.
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Watching the Eng-SA and Wales-Aust tests highlighted the stark comparison about the lack of impact our props offer around the field. We saw interplay between Slipper and Tupou to make linebreaks, Sinckler running hard and the bomb squad from SA. Depressing.
I certainly think that some big decisions need to be made about who are selected as the AB props next season.
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Watching the Eng-SA and Wales-Aust tests highlighted the stark comparison about the lack of impact our props offer around the field. We saw interplay between Slipper and Tupou to make linebreaks, Sinckler running hard and the bomb squad from SA. Depressing.
I certainly think that some big decisions need to be made about who are selected as the AB props next season.
Before he got injured in 2019, we had Moli and Ta'avao and Ofa and even Moody causing heaps of problems as props that could do their core role and cause trouble around the park with their running games.
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@gt12 Yeah Moli would certainly help as he is very mobile and such a big guy.
We need some guys like that and a really fucking good coach to help them nail the set piece. I like Williams for the same reason (Newell because he seems a set piece specialist).
Ryan could be a useful addition to the ABs if he help players do that.
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**I don't think we lack for props, its more how those props are being used or played. It's funny how explosive hookers have become when they are very similar in size to many props. I just wonder why props don't seem to have the same ball carrying ability.
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Another question, which international props do you think are the best and why perhaps?I don’t think this was better exemplified than when Owen Franks and Dane Coles played alongside each other.
Franks had some pretty freaky stats in terms of what he could do with his Olympic weightlifting. So it’s an absolute mystery why it took little more than a blade of grass for him to hit the deck while carrying the ball.
Because he didn't have athletic balance. static power, but not the flexibility and reflexes to shift impact from tacklers, he could only take impact rigidly and as soon as he was off balance he just hit the dirt and stayed there.
Which is why judo and wrestling are so good for rugby players...I think some top tight forwards and centres had either as background...(judo: McDowall, that French loosie Dusautoir; wrestling: Moody, Sammy Tuitupou, ).. -
@nostrildamus said in AB Props:
**I don't think we lack for props, its more how those props are being used or played. It's funny how explosive hookers have become when they are very similar in size to many props. I just wonder why props don't seem to have the same ball carrying ability.
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Another question, which international props do you think are the best and why perhaps?I don’t think this was better exemplified than when Owen Franks and Dane Coles played alongside each other.
Franks had some pretty freaky stats in terms of what he could do with his Olympic weightlifting. So it’s an absolute mystery why it took little more than a blade of grass for him to hit the deck while carrying the ball.
Because Franks didn't have athletic balance. Static power, but not the flexibility and reflexes to shift impact from tacklers, he could only take impact rigidly and as soon as he was off balance he just hit the dirt and stayed there.
Which is why judo and wrestling are so good for rugby players...I think some top forwards and centres had either as background...(judo: McDowall, that French loosie Dusautoir; wrestling: Moody, Sammy Tuitupou, )..
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Say we drop Moody, Karl T, Bower, and Laulala, who comes in to replace any of them?
Hodgman is the obvious one. Then Ross? Any one else. Not Moli, who will surely retire soon.
Oh come on, I can't mention him again?
Let's say we really invested in getting the best coaches in front of guys (and I'm looking at the Canes here), then I'd say:
De Groot, Hodgman, Ross, Williams
Lomax, Mafileo, Newell (I'm disregarding Ofa as he is one of the established props too) -
Unless you are somehow 'in the know' how can anyone be touting Newell and Williams? They have hardly played for the Crusaders and for the odd Canterbury game I watched this year they didn't feature. And Canterbury weren't exactly setting the world on fire.
Apart from size, what makes these two special? From my ignorant spot here in Aus it's more hope than anything.
