All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour
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Looking at the Wales vs Wobs game, I don't want to be all doom and gloom but there is a good chance the Bled could be heading across the ditch next year. I was thinking that before the start of this game and now......
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Can someone explain the legality of players purposely taking out defenders or blocking them. Lazy runners is very common in today's game. Here was one example where two players make no attempt to get out of the way and the ball is passed behind them and Ofa is clearly blocked. The player in the head gear is waiting out wide and runs straight at Akira with no real likelihood of getting the ball and takes him out. This creates space wide and it leads to a penalty to France.
I should note all teams do this, I was simply curious if it was something the refs were policing.
Wayne Barnes. That's your answer.
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@westcoastie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Is Graham Henry available?
He's literally the one guy I think could turn this around by RWC'23.Didn’t he coach us to two losses against France? 😉
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@mikethesnow said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fantastic match
Best of the Autumn
Agree, even as a losing supporter I loved the whole bloody test!
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@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
Basically we can beat Australia. Against any other Tier 1 we are now 50%.
I think a full strength Australia side is a good bit better than when we played them.
Do you think NZ would win most of their tests at home? What we're seeing is NZ losing away matches. Losing away is quite common for most other teams, especially in front of large, vocal support.
Honestly, winning 85%+ over last 16/17 years has skewed things. Winning away used to be a great feat. Maybe you'll begin to treasure them again😉
Until recently Ireland had never beaten us. Last week they gave us a hiding.
France snapped a 19? game losing streak, to give us another hiding.
And I'm not going to apologize for saying things are totally shit in the AB camp when we lose to a pretty mediocre Argentina.
That can’t be right. We lost back to back tests against France, albeit one was in 2007 (QF) and the next test was in 2009.
I haven’t looked it up but I doubt we have played them 19 times since the Dunners loss in 2009.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
This one is fucken terrible, this is the leadup play to the French try. The two lazy runners have no intention of catching the ball, they continue moving forward and the lock actually moves forward into the defending player (he actually moves to his left on purpose into the defender). the French then target the channel he is blocking which leads to the break.
are we ... GAGR?
Jokes aside that was appalling refereeing, such a blatent accidental offside that directly led to the line break.
Edit - I say accidental as I think it should have been a scrum, but in fairness it was probably done on purpose.
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@no-quarter said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
This one is fucken terrible, this is the leadup play to the French try. The two lazy runners have no intention of catching the ball, they continue moving forward and the lock actually moves forward into the defending player (he actually moves to his left on purpose into the defender). the French then target the channel he is blocking which leads to the break.
are we ... GAGR?
Jokes aside that was appalling refereeing, such a blatent accidental offside that directly led to the line break.
I absolutely agree.
Lots of this going on, but ultimately if the ref doesn't police it, you'er dumb if you don't do it.
What shits me (dead horse gif) is the incredible inconsistency within games and week to week.
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here's hoping super rugby with Gatland back at the Chiefs, Schmidt at the Blues, Tony Brown doing Tony Browns thing, Razor doing Razor, they have been able to see the glaring issues with our national side and realise it goes down to thier level too and they will look to change things up.
High hopes for the Blues with Schmidt on board, and with Gatland being fulltime hands on, hopefully he will put something back there too.
There is hope, but it relies on things working at super and Foster being able to take things from there next year and build things quickly for 2023....
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
here's hoping super rugby with Gatland back at the Chiefs, Schmidt at the Blues, Tony Brown doing Tony Browns thing, Razor doing Razor, they have been able to see the glaring issues with our national side and realise it goes down to thier level too and they will look to change things up.
High hopes for the Blues with Schmidt on board, and with Gatland being fulltime hands on, hopefully he will put something back there too.
There is hope, but it relies on things working at super and Foster being able to take things from there next year and build things quickly for 2023....
So the canes are fucked, with the current coaching group?
Seems about right
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We’ll shit, there was some awesome rugby played from both teams…but that hurt
Two big things for me, that counter attack from their own goal, we were very much in the ascendancy but that changed everything, we went down a man and 3 points and they got their tales up for the final 20mins
And richie/Jordie/smith have no faith in each other, so many times we’d go one way from the break down and Richie or Jordie would step straight back behind the breakdown….there was one early in the second half when hot on attack, smith goes left/blind….Richie just runs back right behind the breakdown and passes to QT…who steps back left…the French forwards have very much come through by then and we loose it….take the fucking hit Richie!
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
here's hoping super rugby with Gatland back at the Chiefs, Schmidt at the Blues, Tony Brown doing Tony Browns thing, Razor doing Razor, they have been able to see the glaring issues with our national side and realise it goes down to thier level too and they will look to change things up.
High hopes for the Blues with Schmidt on board, and with Gatland being fulltime hands on, hopefully he will put something back there too.
There is hope, but it relies on things working at super and Foster being able to take things from there next year and build things quickly for 2023....
Things do seem to have built nicely at super level in the last couple of years (despite interrupted comp) but they have seemed to have gone backwards for many players at the next level
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'I can't get my head around it': Dane Coles admits big concern for All Blacks
Now halfway toward the next World Cup, the All Blacks have been exposed in a crucial area.
"I think with the Irish and the South African boys, we were definitely not where we needed to be. But it just seemed like the speed of the game today – that first 20 they just broke us on the outsides – and I suppose the physicality around our defensive lineout stuff wasn't where it needed to be either. I definitely put it down to physicality in the first two tests, tonight was just... I can't get my head around it at the moment.
This indicates to me that the coaches and leadership group aren't up to date on the current state of the game. Not good.
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@nevorian said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Things do seem to have built nicely at super level in the last couple of years (despite interrupted comp)
Built nicely by what measure? By playing themselves who all play nearly the same style?
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@kiwimurph said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nevorian said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Things do seem to have built nicely at super level in the last couple of years (despite interrupted comp)
Built nicely by what measure? By playing themselves who all play nearly the same style?
That’s why I said ‘seemed to have built’.
The Super comp has been successful in building a false sense of well being
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@tim said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
'I can't get my head around it': Dane Coles admits big concern for All Blacks
Now halfway toward the next World Cup, the All Blacks have been exposed in a crucial area.
"I think with the Irish and the South African boys, we were definitely not where we needed to be. But it just seemed like the speed of the game today – that first 20 they just broke us on the outsides – and I suppose the physicality around our defensive lineout stuff wasn't where it needed to be either. I definitely put it down to physicality in the first two tests, tonight was just... I can't get my head around it at the moment.
This indicates to me that the coaches and leadership group aren't up to date on the current state of the game. Not good.
At east Coles is admitting the problem, unlike Foster, Plumtree, and also Moody after Ireland
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@steven-harris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
who has Foster developed into a world class player …?.
Papalii and Blackadder come to mind , but they have really only got their opportunties because of injury .Samisoni to me would be the only player that might fit this category - Jordan potentially the other.
Papalii may get there in time but he needs more exposure to physical sides like Boks, England & France.
Blackadder has a high work rate but not enough impact to be world class. The problems at 6 remain.
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@machpants said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@tim said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
'I can't get my head around it': Dane Coles admits big concern for All Blacks
Now halfway toward the next World Cup, the All Blacks have been exposed in a crucial area.
"I think with the Irish and the South African boys, we were definitely not where we needed to be. But it just seemed like the speed of the game today – that first 20 they just broke us on the outsides – and I suppose the physicality around our defensive lineout stuff wasn't where it needed to be either. I definitely put it down to physicality in the first two tests, tonight was just... I can't get my head around it at the moment.
This indicates to me that the coaches and leadership group aren't up to date on the current state of the game. Not good.
At east Coles is admitting the problem, unlike Foster, Plumtree, and also Moody after Ireland
Which is ironic because he was one of the few who fronted up against France
History of rugby union matches between France and New Zealand - Wikipedia
