All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chris in general yes...but...when ask the also say they're aiming to play this broken counter attack kind of rugby...but when they get the ball in broken play they look frantic...are they looking for an organised kind of broken play?
I don't know it looks like they are a bit confused, maybe no clear messages from the coaching staff.
as JB mostly kicked the ball straight down centre field and gave possession away, normally we would try to counter attack with space in front of us.
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@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@arhs said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial spot on. The lack of analysis and direction from our backline generals was the biggest issue I saw. But we lost BB and ALB early and no Smith or Weber so it was always going to be a challenge.
Its pretty hard for the backs with 39 percent of position and having slow shit ball delivered to you with a half back who has a slow terrible pass against a fast line rush defence.
I would love to see some people deal with that that on on the fern.Easy to talk the talk until you are in that position its hard to access,As you have directions from the coaching staff about how you want to play,And maybe those directions do not suit what's coming at you.
Did RM drop back into the pocket more and put the ball in zones behind the rush line? Nope. Did the midfield stand deeper and have JB take an angled line? Did the wings come on runs inside or outside RM?
Just played plan A.
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@crucial said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@arhs said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial spot on. The lack of analysis and direction from our backline generals was the biggest issue I saw. But we lost BB and ALB early and no Smith or Weber so it was always going to be a challenge.
Its pretty hard for the backs with 39 percent of position and having slow shit ball delivered to you with a half back who has a slow terrible pass against a fast line rush defence.
I would love to see some people deal with that that on on the fern.Easy to talk the talk until you are in that position its hard to access,As you have directions from the coaching staff about how you want to play,And maybe those directions do not suit what's coming at you.
Did RM drop back into the pocket more and put the ball in zones behind the rush line? Nope. Did the midfield stand deeper and have JB take an angled line? Did the wings come on runs inside or outside RM?
Just played plan A.
Totally. Unbelievable that nothing changed. No depth, or playing off nine. Just same old and hope for better outcomes. And from the review it seems the ABs still think that way. Utter lunacy
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@crucial said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@arhs said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial spot on. The lack of analysis and direction from our backline generals was the biggest issue I saw. But we lost BB and ALB early and no Smith or Weber so it was always going to be a challenge.
Its pretty hard for the backs with 39 percent of position and having slow shit ball delivered to you with a half back who has a slow terrible pass against a fast line rush defence.
I would love to see some people deal with that that on on the fern.Easy to talk the talk until you are in that position its hard to access,As you have directions from the coaching staff about how you want to play,And maybe those directions do not suit what's coming at you.
Did RM drop back into the pocket more and put the ball in zones behind the rush line? Nope. Did the midfield stand deeper and have JB take an angled line? Did the wings come on runs inside or outside RM?
Just played plan A.
No and why is that there is more than I leader in the backline but none of them adjusted,Coaching instructions to stay inside the pattern we don't know do we.
But the same shit is happening with different players in those positions so are they all shit.
It has happened with Smith and BB there and ALB and JB.
Maybe its the one constant the coaching with their instructions.These players do it at SR level not as intense but they still think to change things but not in the AB's,Why ?They don't stray from one plan Why ?
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social media really is a mad place sometimes, i have seen so many comments after how the AB's will 100% bounce back, people asking "have the AB's ever lost two in a row?" and at best someone will comment 2008 or something.....and im sitting there thinking...."last year....did i imagine 2020?"
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@kiwiwomble TBF, I had forgotten we lost them on the bounce last year, I asked the question about 2 in a row back at the start of this thread (or maybe in the Ireland one?)
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@pakman said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
If Cane 100% fit, I’d like to see him, Paps and Akira start with Savea on bench.
Nugget and Weber 9.
Havili and Tuapea midfield.
Yuck. If Tupaea starts he has to play 2nd 5, and Havili isn't a centre.
The selection of the halfback, loose forwards and TH prop will tell us if the coaches are going to address what they said were problems against Ireland.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@pakman said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
If Cane 100% fit, I’d like to see him, Paps and Akira start with Savea on bench.
Nugget and Weber 9.
Havili and Tuapea midfield.
Yuck. If Tupaea starts he has to play 2nd 5, and Havili isn't a centre.
I double that yuck.
Havili needs a rest. His effectiveness has waned terribly.
QT and RI in the centres thanks. DH can be on the bench only because I don't want Ennor anywhere near the centres
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@crucial said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@bovidae said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@pakman said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
If Cane 100% fit, I’d like to see him, Paps and Akira start with Savea on bench.
Nugget and Weber 9.
Havili and Tuapea midfield.
Yuck. If Tupaea starts he has to play 2nd 5, and Havili isn't a centre.
I double that yuck.
Havili needs a rest. His effectiveness has waned terribly.
QT and RI in the centres thanks. DH can be on the bench only because I don't want Ennor anywhere near the centres
That might work because if it’s tight in last 10 I don’t want Rieko at 13. Which would mean Quinn moves out on and Havili comes on.
Likewise, allows Reece to be swapped out: another who lacks composure under pressure.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders thats where we we get into the pure speculation territory
whats more likely, a coach drills the team in the basics (passing, catching, tackling, which is where we're seeing a lot of deficiencies) and then these professional sportsmen just forget....or the coach is focusing on other aspects of the game (broken play, counter attack) leaving the players to get rusty at the basics
i dont know, both seem a stupid idea but i get the feeling one of the two is happening
I would have thought a professional player good enough to make the ABs would have the basics of tackling, passing and catching pretty much baked in and not need much drilling from an AB coach.
If those skills are rusty, that's down to the coaches at the lower levels and the players themselves. I'm quite sure the likes of Nonu & Smith practised passing in their own time and set their own high standards and I'm sure plenty of todays player are the same.
I would agree on paper...but if you're the AB coach watching the game and you see as many passes go behind player or to shoulders, or poor tackles...are you just going to throw your hands in the air and say it was the coach's job at a lower level...or are you going to coach them?
As AB coach you'd have to work with what you've got and obviously iron out any deficiencies on expected skills at that level.
As a non-international coach of very little repute, I just dial the training back a step to ensure they're focusing on timing and execution. At that level I'd imagine the review would identify if it's a drill issue or the players themselves would acknowledge and respond accordingly.
From what I observed, it's not a skill issue; rather a composure one.
It’s very hard to expect composure from a backline being halfbacked by TJP.
In particular, when one of the requirements is efficient execution.
The first half was probably well made for him, but impossible not to feel Nugget would have nudged the forwards and identified plays hugely better in second.
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@chris-b said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mariner4life We are in trouble - but, it's stuff that might be repairable in a week. After all, we had two close games vs the World Champions and shared a series with them.
UK articles after the Italy match were sniffing blood in the water and reckoning we were jaded and ripe for the taking. I didn't give that much credence at the time, because that was our B team - and we brought plenty of defensive intensity and workrate vs Ireland - but, every time we had a chance to break the shackles we fucked it up - by dropping a kick-off or an untidy exit, or an aimless kick, or a wild pass, or shit handling, or losing our own lineout throw.
We need to be brighter. I've barely got the heart to ask who tapped and ran a penalty under our own posts when we'd been pinned down there? I guess if they were looking for an element of surprise it probably worked, because it fucking surprised me!
My every instinct tells me we would have done much better and probably beaten Irish if we’d played them the week after Wales.
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@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@arhs said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial spot on. The lack of analysis and direction from our backline generals was the biggest issue I saw. But we lost BB and ALB early and no Smith or Weber so it was always going to be a challenge.
Its pretty hard for the backs with 39 percent of position and having slow shit ball delivered to you with a half back who has a slow terrible pass against a fast line rush defence.
I would love to see some people deal with that that on on the fern.Easy to talk the talk until you are in that position its hard to access,As you have directions from the coaching staff about how you want to play,And maybe those directions do not suit what's coming at you.
A decent proportion of the back errors in H2 were not under direct Irish pressure. More the sense Irish were coming at them.
Those back mistakes fed into the possession and territory stats.
Irish were good in H2 at shifting ball, lots offloading without huge penetration (few line breaks). But they were very patient and trusted that opportunities would present themselves as they built the phases.
ABs did that from 65 to 70, and should have scored via Akira.
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@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chris in general yes...but...when ask the also say they're aiming to play this broken counter attack kind of rugby...but when they get the ball in broken play they look frantic...are they looking for an organised kind of broken play?
I don't know it looks like they are a bit confused, maybe no clear messages from the coaching staff.
as JB mostly kicked the ball straight down centre field and gave possession away, normally we would try to counter attack with space in front of us.
Jordie kicked quite a lot to right hand touch.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@pakman said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
If Cane 100% fit, I’d like to see him, Paps and Akira start with Savea on bench.
Nugget and Weber 9.
Havili and Tuapea midfield.
Yuck. If Tupaea starts he has to play 2nd 5, and Havili isn't a centre.
The selection of the halfback, loose forwards and TH prop will tell us if the coaches are going to address what they said were problems against Ireland.
Against Cyril Baille you want your best scrummager starting. It isn’t Lomax.
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When is the team named, seriously?
Is it a Sunday game again, meaning team naming is a bloody Friday?
