Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz
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<p>I knew that cameo would come back to haunt me. But I was young...needed the money for my specially crafted belongings.</p>
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<p>Fuck you, Deuce.</p>
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I'm not surprised, it's bloody expensive!! It's not like you'd expect Russell to have a 1K lying around or anything... oh, wait.</p></blockquote>
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<p>He's been rejected a couple of times - hasn't spent enough time in Australia because he films outside regularly.</p>
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<p>I remember living in Sydney in 2003 and Rars did a "homecoming" tour with his ( awful ) band "Thirty odd foot of Grunts"....anyway you can imagine what some creative graffiti artists changed the last name to with a black marker. Someone did it to ten posters all beside eachother on the top of oxford st. Talk about dedication.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MN5" data-cid="580124" data-time="1463373393"><p>I remember living in Sydney in 2003 and Rars did a "homecoming" tour with his ( awful ) band "Thirty odd foot of Grunts"....anyway you can imagine what some creative graffiti artists changed the last name to with a black marker. Someone did it to ten posters all beside eachother on the top of oxford st. Talk about dedication.</p></blockquote>
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<p>I'm not having a go I just find your reasoning for being "astonished" rather bizarre.</p>
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<p>Its more people tend to follow sport that they have been born into, or that suits them in their ability to pick up & play. Pre 1990 basketball was non exisitant in NZ, and we are, you know, not genetically pre-disposed to playing it, and not watching it & thinking "they are just like me!!". So its odd how its become so huge. If you look at soccer in NZ it was tiny, then we had a big wave of Poms come in and try to coach it & its still not that big. </p>
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<p>In the states there is a long term following, they pretty much invented it.</p>
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<p>I'm not saying its a disaster that people love it, I'm just trying to get the reason for the rise. It'll probably track back to Sky NZ or Channel 3 or someone fishhing round for cheap filler in the early 90's & getting offered the NBA on the cheap because they wanted to hit more markets. So they promoted the fuck out of it, Nike did a huge Air Jordan push & viola. </p> -
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<p>Its more people tend to follow sport that they have been born into, or that suits them in their ability to pick up & play. Pre 1990 basketball was non exisitant in NZ, and we are, you know, not genetically pre-disposed to playing it, and not watching it & thinking "they are just like me!!". So its odd how its become so huge. If you look at soccer in NZ it was tiny, then we had a big wave of Poms come in and try to coach it & its still not that big. </p>
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<p>In the states there is a long term following, they pretty much invented it.</p>
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<p>I'm not saying its a disaster that people love it, I'm just trying to get the reason for the rise. It'll probably track back to Sky NZ or Channel 3 or someone fishhing round for cheap filler in the early 90's & getting offered the NBA on the cheap because they wanted to hit more markets. So they promoted the fuck out of it, Nike did a huge Air Jordan push & viola. </p>
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<p>Still not sure I buy that, I mean what exactly makes us genetically more adept at playing rugby than other nations ?</p>
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<p>Still not sure I buy that, I mean what exactly makes us genetically more adept at playing rugby than other nations ?</p>
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<p><strong><em>Soccer argument is tenuous as well, more people play that than Rugby in NZ.</em></strong></p>
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<p>My point on that was that soccer was nowhere till we had a big influx of poms. Almost all our senior coaches were pom immigrants in the 80's. Same in Aussie where a big Greek migrant popualtion in the 60's & 70's formed the basis for their soccer community. Much of the last 30 years half the soccer-roos were Popadopalous's.</p>
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<p>Genetically? You mix the sort of genetic stock that could survive 6 months on a boat, farming, a high % of manual labour style jobs, Maori genes, and Islander genes you end up with a pretty good rugby template.</p> -
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<p>My point on that was that soccer was nowhere till we had a big influx of poms. Almost all our senior coaches were pom immigrants in the 80's. Same in Aussie where a big Greek migrant popualtion in the 60's & 70's formed the basis for their soccer community. Much of the last 30 years half the soccer-roos were Popadopalous's.</p>
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<p>Genetically? You mix the sort of genetic stock that could survive 6 months on a boat, farming, a high % of manual labour style jobs, Maori genes, and Islander genes you end up with a pretty good rugby template.</p>
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<p>Islander genes have only been a factor relatively recently, I don't see that as a major factor personally. Every single race on earth did it tough with "manual labour" type jobs so NZ is hardly unique there either and the farming example is a bit poor too. Lots of farms all over the world in countries that suck at Rugby......</p> -
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<p>Islander genes have only been a factor relatively recently, I don't see that as a major factor personally. Every single race on earth did it tough with "manual labour" type jobs so NZ is hardly unique there either and the farming example is a bit poor too. Lots of farms all over the world in countries that suck at Rugby......</p>
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<p>In most countries the hard labour of clearing & fencing an entire country was done 2000 years ago. And NZ was predominantly farming / manual labour until pretty recently, mopst other nations thats not the case. Its the same reason white SA works for rugby. You have a genetic group based on people who did that work & could survive it.</p>
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<p>"Lots of farms all over the world in countries that suck at Rugby"</p>
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<p>You are missing the % of the popualtion bit. Its like saying "lots of countries have beaches, why do beaches make Aussies good at water sports!" and ignoring the % of the population living near beaches. </p> -
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<p>Eddie Jones needs to scrap Pennyhill Park and get the boys shovelling shit soon as possible. Good prep for an overseas tour.</p>
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<p>Get the Welsh back on their farms & down the pits would be a better option.</p> -
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Diet helps enormously. You're not going to make many rugby players on rice or lentils.<br><br>
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<p>I would say Basketball was about the 4th winter sport when I was growing up in the 70's.</p>
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<p>National schools comp. It was the #1 sport at my school. Semi-pro club comp broadcast on TV. Stan Hill was a bit of a legend. Beat the Aussies for the first time. Internationally we suffered because we had to get past the Aussies to qualify for World Cup but there was certainly a lot of interest in the game.</p>
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<p>It has definitely grown helped by the profile of the national league in the 80's and the broadcasting of NBA / globalisation of that brand around gear marketing but basketball wasn't unknown as Gollum seems to think</p>
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<p>Basketball was huge at WBHS when I was there, even before Pero Cameron was playing in the team, there was a decent team up here then too in whatever the national league was called back then...now I don't know if is a team at all.</p>
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<p>I would say Basketball was about the 4th winter sport when I was growing up in the 70's.</p>
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<p>National schools comp. It was the #1 sport at my school. Semi-pro club comp broadcast on TV. Stan Hill was a bit of a legend. Beat the Aussies for the first time. Internationally we suffered because we had to get past the Aussies to qualify for World Cup but there was certainly a lot of interest in the game.</p>
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<p>It has definitely grown helped by the profile of the national league in the 80's and the broadcasting of NBA / globalisation of that brand around gear marketing but basketball wasn't unknown as Gollum seems to think</p>
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<p>Yep - Stan Hill, John Hill, Dutchie Rademakers - household names.</p>
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<p>Soccer was big through the '70s, in fact, we had a proper national league and "domestic soccer" was better organized and more popular than what it in now - with the Phoenix and not much else with any profile. They used to get crowds to rival provincial rugby matches. </p>
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<p>Napier City Rovers,</p>
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<p>North Shore United, Eastern Suburbs, Blockhouse Bay</p>
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<p>Think that's the league.....</p>
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<p>I had a mate who played national league soccer and basketball.</p>
