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  • gollumG Offline
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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MN5" data-cid="580195" data-time="1463392415">
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    <p>Still not sure I buy that, I mean what exactly makes us genetically more adept at playing rugby than other nations ?</p>
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    <p><strong><em>Soccer argument is tenuous as well, more people play that than Rugby in NZ.</em></strong></p>
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    <p>My point on that was that soccer was nowhere till we had a big influx of poms. Almost all our senior coaches were pom immigrants in the 80's. Same in Aussie where a big Greek migrant popualtion in the 60's & 70's formed the basis for their soccer community. Much of the last 30 years half the soccer-roos were Popadopalous's.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>Genetically? You mix the sort of genetic stock that could survive 6 months on a boat, farming, a high % of manual labour style jobs, Maori genes, and Islander genes you end up with a pretty good rugby template.</p>

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  • MN5M Offline
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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="gollum" data-cid="580199" data-time="1463393521">
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    <p>My point on that was that soccer was nowhere till we had a big influx of poms. Almost all our senior coaches were pom immigrants in the 80's. Same in Aussie where a big Greek migrant popualtion in the 60's & 70's formed the basis for their soccer community. Much of the last 30 years half the soccer-roos were Popadopalous's.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>Genetically? You mix the sort of genetic stock that could survive 6 months on a boat, farming, a high % of manual labour style jobs, Maori genes, and Islander genes you end up with a pretty good rugby template.</p>
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    <p>Islander genes have only been a factor relatively recently, I don't see that as a major factor personally. Every single race on earth did it tough with "manual labour" type jobs so NZ is hardly unique there either and the farming example is a bit poor too. Lots of farms all over the world in countries that suck at Rugby......</p>

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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MN5" data-cid="580200" data-time="1463394154">
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    <p>Islander genes have only been a factor relatively recently, I don't see that as a major factor personally. Every single race on earth did it tough with "manual labour" type jobs so NZ is hardly unique there either and the farming example is a bit poor too. Lots of farms all over the world in countries that suck at Rugby......</p>
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    <p>In most countries the hard labour of clearing & fencing an entire country was done 2000 years ago. And NZ was predominantly farming / manual labour until pretty recently, mopst other nations thats not the case. Its the same reason white SA works for rugby. You have a genetic group based on people who did that work & could survive it.</p>
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    <p>"Lots of farms all over the world in countries that suck at Rugby"</p>
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    <p>You are missing the % of the popualtion bit. Its like saying "lots of countries have beaches, why do beaches make Aussies good at water sports!" and ignoring the % of the population living near beaches.      </p>

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    Eddie Jones needs to scrap Pennyhill Park and get the boys shovelling shit soon as possible. Good prep for an overseas tour.

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  • gollumG Offline
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    <p>Eddie Jones needs to scrap Pennyhill Park and get the boys shovelling shit soon as possible. Good prep for an overseas tour.</p>
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    <p>Get the Welsh back on their farms & down the pits would be a better option.</p>

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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MN5" data-cid="580200" data-time="1463394154"><p>Islander genes have only been a factor relatively recently, I don't see that as a major factor personally. Every single race on earth did it tough with "manual labour" type jobs so NZ is hardly unique there either and the farming example is a bit poor too. Lots of farms all over the world in countries that suck at Rugby......</p></blockquote>
    Diet helps enormously. You're not going to make many rugby players on rice or lentils.<br><br>
    Sent from my GT-P7500 using Tapatalk

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    <p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://story.californiasunday.com/samoan-football-pipeline'>https://story.californiasunday.com/samoan-football-pipeline</a></p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>This is about the way Samoa has become an NFL production line, cause they are, you know, sort of perfect. Same deal.</p>

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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="gollum" data-cid="580211" data-time="1463399969"><p>Get the Welsh back on their farms & down the pits would be a better option.</p></blockquote>
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    Not for me it wouldn't 🙂

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    <p>I would say Basketball was about the 4th winter sport when I was growing up in the 70's.</p>
    <p> The same as it is now.</p>
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    <p>National schools comp. It was the #1 sport at my school. Semi-pro club comp broadcast on TV. Stan Hill was a bit of a legend. Beat the Aussies for the first time. Internationally we suffered because we had to get past the Aussies to qualify for World Cup but there was certainly a lot of interest in the game.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>It has definitely grown helped by the profile of the national league in the 80's and the broadcasting of NBA / globalisation of that brand around gear marketing but basketball wasn't unknown as Gollum seems to think</p>
    <p>​</p>

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    <p>Basketball was huge at WBHS when I was there, even before Pero Cameron was playing in the team, there was a decent team up here then too in whatever the national league was called back then...now I don't know if is a team at all.</p>

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  • MN5M Offline
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    <p>The point I was making is that there's absolutely nothing out of the ordinary in NZs genetics that are gonna make us the best rugby team on earth.</p>

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  • Chris B.C Offline
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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="dogmeat" data-cid="580247" data-time="1463435591">
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    <p>I would say Basketball was about the 4th winter sport when I was growing up in the 70's.</p>
    <p> The same as it is now.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>National schools comp. It was the #1 sport at my school. Semi-pro club comp broadcast on TV. Stan Hill was a bit of a legend. Beat the Aussies for the first time. Internationally we suffered because we had to get past the Aussies to qualify for World Cup but there was certainly a lot of interest in the game.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>It has definitely grown helped by the profile of the national league in the 80's and the broadcasting of NBA / globalisation of that brand around gear marketing but basketball wasn't unknown as Gollum seems to think</p>
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    <p>Yep - Stan Hill, John Hill, Dutchie Rademakers - household names.</p>
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    <p>Soccer was big through the '70s, in fact, we had a proper national league and "domestic soccer" was better organized and more popular than what it in now - with the Phoenix and not much else with any profile. They used to get crowds to rival provincial rugby matches. </p>
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    <p>Through the '70s there were annual title battles between Christchurch United and Mt Wellington and various bit part players - Wellington Diamond United, Stop Out, Caversham and others whose names escape me.</p>

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  • dogmeatD Offline
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    <p>Gisborne City.  Soccer was biggest show in town</p>
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    <p>Napier City Rovers,</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>North Shore United, Eastern Suburbs, Blockhouse Bay</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>Think that's the league.....</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>I had a mate who played national league soccer and basketball.</p>

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  • Chris B.C Offline
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    <p>Blockhouse Bay - that was the memorable one..... I was trying to remember! :)</p>

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  • boobooB Do not disturb
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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="gollum" data-cid="580184" data-time="1463390272"><p>
    Pre 1990 basketball was non exisitant in NZ,</p></blockquote>
    <br>
    Not actuallt correct. I played a lit of badketball (badly) as a kid at intermediate and 3rd & 4th form in the very early 80s.<br><br>
    I also recall being hooked on the Lakers v Celtics playofds aroynd the same time.<br><br>
    Not to mention Kenny McFadden and the Exchequer Saints.

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  • MN5M Offline
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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="booboo" data-cid="580373" data-time="1463465829">
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    <p>Not actuallt correct. I played a lit of badketball (badly) as a kid at intermediate and 3rd & 4th form in the very early 80s.<br><br>
    I also recall being hooked on the Lakers v Celtics playofds aroynd the same time.<br><br>
    Not to mention Kenny McFadden and the Exchequer Saints.</p>
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    <p> </p>
    <p>My ex father in law played provincially for many years in the 70s/80s too which is pretty good for a sport that didn't exist.</p>

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  • boobooB Do not disturb
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    Gee my typing is crap and I'm sober ...<br><br>
    Miramar was another soccer team that did the rounds.

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  • jeggaJ Offline
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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="booboo" data-cid="580373" data-time="1463465829">
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    <p>Not actuallt correct. I played a lit of badketball (badly) as a kid at intermediate and 3rd & 4th form in the very early 80s.<br><br>
    I also recall being hooked on the Lakers v Celtics playofds aroynd the same time.<br><br><strong>Not to mention Kenny McFadden and the Exchequer Saints.</strong></p>
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    <p> </p>
    <p>When I played basketball in 3rd form he like Richie to me and my team mates,  iirc there used to be a basketball game on tv on saturday night?</p>

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  • jeggaJ Offline
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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="booboo" data-cid="580375" data-time="1463466086">
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    <p>Gee my typing is crap and I'm sober ...<br><br>
    Miramar was another soccer team that did the rounds.</p>
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    <p> </p>
    <p>Miramar rangers, I don't know how they were able to afford it but they got Justin Fashenu to come out and play a season for them.</p>

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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="booboo" data-cid="580375" data-time="1463466086">
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    <p>Gee my typing is crap and I'm sober ...<br><br>
    Miramar was another soccer team that did the rounds.</p>
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    <p> </p>
    <p>I remember when the ABs smashed the South of Scotland 84-5 in the 93 tour they did a piece on Norm Hewitt catching up with Gary Parker who played Soccer for Napier city before switching to rugby.......</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>My old man played for Miramar in the late 70s/early 80s.......</p>

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