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<p>Still not sure I buy that, I mean what exactly makes us genetically more adept at playing rugby than other nations ?</p>
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<p><strong><em>Soccer argument is tenuous as well, more people play that than Rugby in NZ.</em></strong></p>
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<p>My point on that was that soccer was nowhere till we had a big influx of poms. Almost all our senior coaches were pom immigrants in the 80's. Same in Aussie where a big Greek migrant popualtion in the 60's & 70's formed the basis for their soccer community. Much of the last 30 years half the soccer-roos were Popadopalous's.</p>
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<p>Genetically? You mix the sort of genetic stock that could survive 6 months on a boat, farming, a high % of manual labour style jobs, Maori genes, and Islander genes you end up with a pretty good rugby template.</p> -
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<p>My point on that was that soccer was nowhere till we had a big influx of poms. Almost all our senior coaches were pom immigrants in the 80's. Same in Aussie where a big Greek migrant popualtion in the 60's & 70's formed the basis for their soccer community. Much of the last 30 years half the soccer-roos were Popadopalous's.</p>
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<p>Genetically? You mix the sort of genetic stock that could survive 6 months on a boat, farming, a high % of manual labour style jobs, Maori genes, and Islander genes you end up with a pretty good rugby template.</p>
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<p>Islander genes have only been a factor relatively recently, I don't see that as a major factor personally. Every single race on earth did it tough with "manual labour" type jobs so NZ is hardly unique there either and the farming example is a bit poor too. Lots of farms all over the world in countries that suck at Rugby......</p> -
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<p>Islander genes have only been a factor relatively recently, I don't see that as a major factor personally. Every single race on earth did it tough with "manual labour" type jobs so NZ is hardly unique there either and the farming example is a bit poor too. Lots of farms all over the world in countries that suck at Rugby......</p>
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<p>In most countries the hard labour of clearing & fencing an entire country was done 2000 years ago. And NZ was predominantly farming / manual labour until pretty recently, mopst other nations thats not the case. Its the same reason white SA works for rugby. You have a genetic group based on people who did that work & could survive it.</p>
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<p>"Lots of farms all over the world in countries that suck at Rugby"</p>
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<p>You are missing the % of the popualtion bit. Its like saying "lots of countries have beaches, why do beaches make Aussies good at water sports!" and ignoring the % of the population living near beaches. </p> -
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<p>Eddie Jones needs to scrap Pennyhill Park and get the boys shovelling shit soon as possible. Good prep for an overseas tour.</p>
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<p>Get the Welsh back on their farms & down the pits would be a better option.</p> -
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Diet helps enormously. You're not going to make many rugby players on rice or lentils.<br><br>
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<p>I would say Basketball was about the 4th winter sport when I was growing up in the 70's.</p>
<p> The same as it is now.</p>
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<p>National schools comp. It was the #1 sport at my school. Semi-pro club comp broadcast on TV. Stan Hill was a bit of a legend. Beat the Aussies for the first time. Internationally we suffered because we had to get past the Aussies to qualify for World Cup but there was certainly a lot of interest in the game.</p>
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<p>It has definitely grown helped by the profile of the national league in the 80's and the broadcasting of NBA / globalisation of that brand around gear marketing but basketball wasn't unknown as Gollum seems to think</p>
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<p>Basketball was huge at WBHS when I was there, even before Pero Cameron was playing in the team, there was a decent team up here then too in whatever the national league was called back then...now I don't know if is a team at all.</p>
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<p>I would say Basketball was about the 4th winter sport when I was growing up in the 70's.</p>
<p> The same as it is now.</p>
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<p>National schools comp. It was the #1 sport at my school. Semi-pro club comp broadcast on TV. Stan Hill was a bit of a legend. Beat the Aussies for the first time. Internationally we suffered because we had to get past the Aussies to qualify for World Cup but there was certainly a lot of interest in the game.</p>
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<p>It has definitely grown helped by the profile of the national league in the 80's and the broadcasting of NBA / globalisation of that brand around gear marketing but basketball wasn't unknown as Gollum seems to think</p>
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<p>Yep - Stan Hill, John Hill, Dutchie Rademakers - household names.</p>
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<p>Soccer was big through the '70s, in fact, we had a proper national league and "domestic soccer" was better organized and more popular than what it in now - with the Phoenix and not much else with any profile. They used to get crowds to rival provincial rugby matches. </p>
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<p>Napier City Rovers,</p>
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<p>North Shore United, Eastern Suburbs, Blockhouse Bay</p>
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<p>Think that's the league.....</p>
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Not actuallt correct. I played a lit of badketball (badly) as a kid at intermediate and 3rd & 4th form in the very early 80s.<br><br>
I also recall being hooked on the Lakers v Celtics playofds aroynd the same time.<br><br>
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<p>Not actuallt correct. I played a lit of badketball (badly) as a kid at intermediate and 3rd & 4th form in the very early 80s.<br><br>
I also recall being hooked on the Lakers v Celtics playofds aroynd the same time.<br><br>
Not to mention Kenny McFadden and the Exchequer Saints.</p>
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<p>Not actuallt correct. I played a lit of badketball (badly) as a kid at intermediate and 3rd & 4th form in the very early 80s.<br><br>
I also recall being hooked on the Lakers v Celtics playofds aroynd the same time.<br><br><strong>Not to mention Kenny McFadden and the Exchequer Saints.</strong></p>
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<p>When I played basketball in 3rd form he like Richie to me and my team mates, iirc there used to be a basketball game on tv on saturday night?</p> -
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<p>Gee my typing is crap and I'm sober ...<br><br>
Miramar was another soccer team that did the rounds.</p>
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<p>Gee my typing is crap and I'm sober ...<br><br>
Miramar was another soccer team that did the rounds.</p>
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<p>I remember when the ABs smashed the South of Scotland 84-5 in the 93 tour they did a piece on Norm Hewitt catching up with Gary Parker who played Soccer for Napier city before switching to rugby.......</p>
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<p>My old man played for Miramar in the late 70s/early 80s.......</p>